Good pct question

[dc9616]

Say if you 200 pounds and u cycle sus at 500+ mg a week ( just example) U gain 20 pounds , if you dont take post cycle is it possible to lose all 20 pounds and some of ur natural weight too????

me and another guy had a debate i said i believe you can lose all ur gains and maybe some ur natural weight as well, is that a true statement i said????

[ricker35910]

sure if you stop EATING and stop training.... true gains come from the food you intake

[gottabecool]

I'd believe it's possible. Hormonal balances....and certain imbalances support lean mass. Other balances don't.

[Brundel]

If you shut down your natural test production and fail to recover it post cycle you will likely lose not only what you gained but potentially more leaving you worse than where you started.
The importance of a proper PCT cannot be over stressed for those not permanently ON.

[shorty9]

why even debate it? you know pct is a must, and if you dont do it then you may as well not even do a cycle bc you are shooting yourself in the foot and are commiting hypertrophic suicide. I guess what im saying is yeah you will lose whatever you gained but at that pt does it really matter if u end up wear you started or worse off? either way Id want to blow my brains out.

[shorty9]

that being said, yeah Im pretty sure if you dont follow proper pct, depending on the cycle,compounds,dose,duration ect ect...then your system may make its way back to homeostasis but it will take a whole lot longer. and if you stop eating and working out in the mean time then you may end up smaller then you started.

[dc9616]

Thanks for all the responces , yeah i agree what u guys are saying, If a newb is taking 250 mg of test c and he just want to use clomid not hcg could he recover from that and still be able to restart natuaral test

28 yrs old
first cycle
17 percent bayfat
10 weeks test c alone
6"2 194 pounds
4 years training

[Brundel]

Thanks for all the responces , yeah i agree what u guys are saying, If a newb is taking 250 mg of test c and he just want to use clomid not hcg could he recover from that and still be able to restart natuaral test

28 yrs old
first cycle
17 percent bayfat
10 weeks test c alone
6"2 194 pounds
4 years training

Its possible that you could recover HPTA function with clomid alone after 250mg weekly, however, I think its more important to look at your current stats.
Im not trying to knock you here but...

firstly-6'2 194 is pretty thin bro
and 17%bf is not exactly lean.

So I would recommend changing the diet and training for a while before you use AAS. You have plenty of natural growing potential to utilize.

Secondly, there is no reason to cut corners.
A PCT consists of an AI a SERM and HCG.
Each of these drugs has a purpose and as such running a PCT with only a half or a third of the afformentioned drugs will not yeild the same results as if all were used.
The point is, just run a full PCT using the necessary ancillaries for best results.
This way, in 4 months your not starting a thread like this: ....

Where are my balls?
Why am I crying at movies.
Why am I weaker than when I started my cycle?
Why do I not have sex with my GF anymore?
etc.

[beezy13]

clomid is good but the lack of an AI in the PCT is disturbing. if you can get comid you can get Aromisin or the like. get that and use it. I know the HCG thing is popular and for good reason but at a minimum you need to control that estrogen post cycle even if you did use the hcg. Plenty of people have posted their First cycles just reread the threads on here and follow their advice. Test only is a great frist cycle but read everything and follow someone like HI's advice and get all the things you need for PCT.

[HammerStrength12]

Its possible that you could recover HPTA function with clomid alone after 250mg weekly, however, I think its more important to look at your current stats.
Im not trying to knock you here but...

firstly-6'2 194 is pretty thin bro
and 17%bf is not exactly lean.

So I would recommend changing the diet and training for a while before you use AAS. You have plenty of natural growing potential to utilize.

Secondly, there is no reason to cut corners.
A PCT consists of an AI a SERM and HCG.
Each of these drugs has a purpose and as such running a PCT with only a half or a third of the afformentioned drugs will not yeild the same results as if all were used.
The point is, just run a full PCT using the necessary ancillaries for best results.
This way, in 4 months your not starting a thread like this: ....

Where are my balls?
Why am I crying at movies.
Why am I weaker than when I started my cycle?
Why do I not have sex with my GF anymore?
etc.

A friend of mine can't get HCG and asked if he should be able to recover from an 8 week test cycle off of clomid and an AI? He's going low dose (300mg a week), so does the low dose and short duration improve his chances of recovery?

[Brundel]

At such a low dose he will likely recover with a suicidal AI and Clomid.
There is no way to know without bloodwork but if he cant afford HCG I highly doubt he can afford bloodwork.
The low dose and the short duration do increase the chance of a successful PCT.
If an AI is used throughout the cycle estrogen will remain low making recovery a snap.

Remember, the LH leutenizing hormone signal to the testicals is the signal to make testosterone.
It is an elevated estrogen level that will cause a reduction in LH to a great degree.
Since we are essentially looking during PCT to do 2 things:
raise endogenous testosterone and reduce elevated estrogen levels, it makes sense to just keep estro in check the whole time.

So, running an AI, preferably a suicidal one like aromasin will greatly improve the success of your PCT.