Help with Muscle Gain

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 03:30 PM

Whats up everyone, I am a total beginner, I have taken force factor and I liked it but I'm reading a lot about oral steriods like Dinabol and Anavar. I'm not going to inject, but I'm looking for a good solution.

I'm about 150 pounds, 30 years and in good health, any recommendations on some sort of beginners cycle? Most of the cycles I see are too crazy.

Any suggestions??

**cook** · 10-07-2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by igloo

Whats up everyone, I am a total beginner, I have taken force factor and I liked it but I'm reading a lot about oral steriods like Dinabol and Anavar. I'm not going to inject, but I'm looking for a good solution.

I'm about 150 pounds, 30 years and in good health, any recommendations on some sort of beginners cycle? Most of the cycles I see are too crazy.

Any suggestions??

It`s spelled steroids not steriods

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by cook

It`s spelled steroids not steriods

wow dude you really spend time correcting typos??? Can you offer any real help?

**cook** · 10-07-2010, 03:46 PM

There is a message in what I wrote...think about it

**~gymdiva~** · 10-07-2010, 03:49 PM

I moved this to the beginners section although I could have moved it to chem....we need much more info about how long you've been training, how do you train (ie, style, types of lifts, frequency), what's your diet like, current bf%, etc...

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ~gymdiva~

I moved this to the beginners section although I could have moved it to chem....we need much more info about how long you've been training, how do you train (ie, style, types of lifts, frequency), what's your diet like, current bf%, etc...

sorry about that, I didn't see the beginners section. I've been playing sports all my life, my training consists of push-ups, pull-ups, dumbbells and doing these stairs. I have like no BF and I eat a lot of protein.

Force factor is good and the creatine will probably help but I wanted to add something else to help me gain weight since I have a high metabolism. Taking small doses would probably be ok, right? They prescribe it to people who have trouble gaining weight.

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by cook

There is a message in what I wrote...think about it

dude I'm not talking about injecting loads of deca, I'm trying to find out more about legal weight/muscle pills

**~gymdiva~** · 10-07-2010, 04:26 PM

I think you need to look into heavy lifting styles before you mess with any chemicals (be they oral or inj)...and how much is "like no bf"? how much is a lot of protein? how do carbs look? do you typically carb cycle? do keto? neither? how about fat consumption? calories? if you have a naturally high metabolism I say look at diet first, then training style, then supplements....

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by ~gymdiva~

I think you need to look into heavy lifting styles before you mess with any chemicals (be they oral or inj)...and how much is "like no bf"? how much is a lot of protein? how do carbs look? do you typically carb cycle? do keto? neither? how about fat consumption? calories? if you have a naturally high metabolism I say look at diet first, then training style, then supplements....

Thanks for trying to help, my diet is fine man, I didn't need diet help. I get a great workout every time, I work all my muscles so no new training help needed either.

So does anyone know about Dinabol and Anavar like I originally asked? I just want to hear from someone who has tried them, tell me about the side effects and tell me about the positive effects. I plan on starting a small dosage...

**robert da strongman** · 10-07-2010, 04:32 PM

learn how to lift heavy and hard, eat right, and take basic suplements like protein and creatine.

maybe a little later you can think about serious stuff or even prohormones

read around and ask questions

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by robert da strongman

learn how to lift heavy and hard, eat right, and take basic suplements like protein and creatine.

maybe a little later you can think about serious stuff or even prohormones

read around and ask questions

thanks, I didn't think the small doses are that bad, I do workout pretty hard already and I've been eating right all my life. I just get more cut and don't really get the mass.

**robert da strongman** · 10-07-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by igloo

thanks, I didn't think the small doses are that bad, I do workout pretty hard already and I've been eating right all my life. I just get more cut and don't really get the mass.

do some research there is plenty of info around....from your posts you are not ready for that kind of stuff

**igloo** · 10-07-2010, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by robert da strongman

do some research there is plenty of info around....from your posts you are not ready for that kind of stuff

cool, well thanks again to everyone for the help, I'm thinking that protein and creatine might be it for now.

**retwa** · 10-07-2010, 05:20 PM

If you can't get beyond 150 without drugs, you won't do it with drugs...at least not in the long-term. You'll blow up with water weight if you take dbol, maybe gain some muscle and fat too, but then you'll lose it all once you go off since your diet and training are quite obviously inadequate.

Start lifting free weights, and eat more and bigger high protein meals.