what do u guy's think about MAX-OT training?

[red barraca]

i never really belived in it,low rep heavy weight shit,yes if your a powerlifter this style of training would work very well.

[Strikerrjones]

I really like it. I find it easier to make myself train intensely when the weight is heavier and I'm not doing as many reps. When I do 12 reps for an exercise I can't really tell if I'm actually going to failure or if I'm just giving up.
Also, it's more fun to lift heavier weights. I know ego shouldn't be involved in lifting, but personally I have a lot more drive to try hard when I'm lifting something heavy.

[beau]

I used it awhile back...worked pretty well. But I prefer Dorian's style of HIT training.

[red barraca]

for me HIT,fst-7,german volume training

[Sledge]

I think it's awsome for a beginer to intermediate level trainer. It just has the whole plan there for you to follow. I think any beginer would get great results from using Max OT. AND it's free

[red barraca]

the thing is that a few guys at my gym are doing this style of training,and have the shittyest form i have ever seen,and yes it is a ego thang,they think weight over form or reps.and theseguy's are cheating on all sets. the way i see it this training build's strength great for powerlifter's but not for a BODYBUILDER. or mabe there doing something different.MAX-OT EGO 2000.lol

[Sledge]

the thing is that a few guys at my gym are doing this style of training,and have the shittyest form i have ever seen,and yes it is a ego thang,they think weight over form or reps.and theseguy's are cheating on all sets. the way i see it this training build's strenth great for powerlifter's but not for a BODYBUILDER. or mabe there doing something different.MAX-OT EGO 2000.lol

Yeah well the form issue is different. It just means THEY are not doing it correctly not that the system is flawed.
I think Powerlifting and other strength type exercises are very important for a bodybuilder to build and maintain that thick mature base.

I can't remember who said it but I agree with the statement.
"A bodybuilder that can't lift heavy is a fake."

[red barraca]

Yeah well the form issue is different. It just means THEY are not doing it correctly not that the system is flawed.
I think Powerlifting and other strength type exercises are very important for a bodybuilder to build and maintain that thick mature base.

I can't remember who said it but I agree with the statement.
"A bodybuilder that can't lift heavy is a fake."

yes i agree i also do heavy powerlifting movement's ,squats deadlift bench press,ect.i do every thing heavy as hell with good rep's and control.my reps never fall below 6.so don't get it mix up that i do light weight

[red barraca]

and there about 6-7 people asking they need to change there training sytem's.and i ask them what's wrong?they tell max-ot is'nt working for them anymore,and go on and tell about fst-7 training the've tried for a month and they loveit,telling iam glad you told about this

[ironman0370]

Agree with Sledge.......Max-OT, when done correctly, is a very good routine for novice and intermediate trainees, IMO. I used it way back, and it does indeed work, if done correctly.

The principles are sound (progressive overload, complete rest/recuperation periods, longer rest periods for greater strength, etc.) and the science is there to back it up.

To me, the principles are very similar to Dorian's HIT approach (I think the book is called blood, sweat, and tears......it's at work, and I haven't read it but just once when I bought it), so I think it is a good idea to rotate higher reps (at least 12 reps), isolation type movements (8-10 weeks) with lower rep, heavier weight to failure movements (4-6 weeks) in order to get the best of both worlds (hitting all fibers optimally).

As Sledge already stated, I believe those that fail w/Max-OT do it for a few reasons.......(1) That type of workout just isn't suited to their muscle make-up (predominantly slower-twitch fibers, lower overall fiber count, etc., (2) They don't follow the principles EXACTLY and use too much cheating (as opposed to controlled cheating), and use MAX-OT as a reason to lift as heavy as possible, with terrible form, not contracting muscles fully, etc., (3) again, along the lines of not following the rules, not taking a complete week off when prescribed, thus over-taxing their CNS and not recuperating, resulting in over-training, and finally (4) not eating and or sleeping properly, negatively affecting recuperation which is paramount for this type of training.

Overall, I believe it holds value, and if done strategically and properly, is a smart add to anyone's training.

jst

[red barraca]

thank you ironman for clearing this up,my friend chad.j does this training and he does it right,he's a monster of a man,squat's 850lbs bench's 700lbs deadlift's 700-800lbs,i asked him with some lift's help,and he's very nice all around good guy,then he say's let's compete,he think's i will place in a powerlifting meet, and iam like wow,the meet is in 3days.wish me luck.red

[red barraca]

bodybuilding..101....FORM AND TECHNIQUE.NUMBER1,THE WEIGHT WILL ALWAY'S BE SECOND.

[orhochris]

jeff willet's (poster boy for AST and Max-ot) a freak for being natural... but its too low rep for my taste.

[militantmuscle]

If each individual muscle group is predominantly composed of Type IIc fiber than it would probably be a good workout routine, but what if your quads are primarily Type I? The 'heavy weight, low reps' tactic wouldn't be the best option.

[cro0sh]

If each individual muscle group is predominantly composed of Type IIc fiber than it would probably be a good workout routine, but what if your quads are primarily Type I? The 'heavy weight, low reps' tactic wouldn't be the best option.

Just because you do higher reps doesn't mean fast twitch fibers aren't being recruited

Muscle fibers are recruited in order from:

slow -> interm > fast