thread ideas???

[Shadow]

i would revisit your diet...it is something that alot of peps thnk is on point..but is the real problem...

I got a very good coach for diet, that's why I said it's spot on, haha. I don't know, but this is getting annoying!

[s2h]

I got a very good coach for diet, that's why I said it's spot on, haha. I don't know, but this is getting annoying!

i would look at adding a second compound...deca,eq or npp...at 300mg's w/ ya test...211 at 5'6' is pretty good size...

[Shadow]

i would look at adding a second compound...deca,eq or npp...at 300mg's w/ ya test...211 at 5'6' is pretty good size...

Do you think because I got so big naturally I could need more test to see results?

[caribeman]

It's really hard when i'm "on" to gauge things. In the mirror i look fine, great and I like where i'm at but at the same time i don't want to gain too much fat to the point of having to diet down like crazy again. It's hard to gauge scale weight at this point. When i'm not on i just look at the scale and try to keep it at a pound every 2 weeks so i can adjust calories accordingly but when i'm on I just have to go by the mirror I guess. I just want to eat everything in sight!...i even prefer eating clean foods! Don't crave junk at all.

The scale and I havent come to a mutual agreement so I go by fat %, how I look and how I feel. Not the same 200 pounds with 15% BF compared to 200 pounds at 9% BF. I dont crave junk food, but do find myself hungry often at times.

[s2h]

Do you think because I got so big naturally I could need more test to see results?

the more muscle you have the more receptors you will have...try a second compound...or if you only want to run test than bump it...you gonna have to explore sometimes to find what works fo you..proviron may be a good addition also...

[Shadow]

the more muscle you have the more receptors you will have...try a second compound...or if you only want to run test than bump it...you gonna have to explore sometimes to find what works fo you..proviron may be a good addition also...

Yeah, that's the course I've been trying out. Nothing like being your own little experiment, lol.

[s2h]

Yeah, that's the course I've been trying out. Nothing like being your own little experiment, lol.

we have all been there...just take it slow...dont make any wild decisions...also dont expect to much fron your aas..remember its a aide not the cure all...

[kron22]

powerlifting champion
highland games champion
strongman champion
FDA clinical drug and device researcher

prepping to compete in my first bodybuilding show next year.

which show is that?

[heavyiron]

I've heard d-zine or 17beta-hydroxy 2alpha, 17 alpha-dimethyl 5alpha, androstan3-on azine is basically rat poison.



Took 10mg once per day for four weeks. Saw good strength gains and ten pounds in body weight.

Thinking of taking 6-8 weeks off and finishing the bottle at 10mg twice per day for another four weeks.

Thoughts?

Super DMZ is Dimethazine alone however it may undergo a conversion like a PH into Methyldrostanolone once ingested. Therefore Super DMZ does not contain Superdrol but once broken down it is similar as far as I can tell.

Dimethazine was a prescribed steroid at one time therefore we have human trials in which this steroid was used. Dimethazine is basically an oral Masterone (drostanolone propionate). I am reading published reports that Dimethazine possesses an androgenic rating of 96 and an anabolic rating of 210. Furthermore it seems to possess little to no estrogenic or progestational activity.

Dimethazine is an oral c-17alpha alkylated steroid that is liver toxic to a degree. Note that in studies administering 20mg per day to patients for 45-95 days, dimethazine was shown to induce modest to moderate bilirubinemia (excess bilirubin in the blood, indicative of hepatic stress) in close to 50% of patients. Approximately 25% of the patients noticed substantial increases in serum transaminases. These results suggest this steroid has significant hepatoxicity and should therefore be limited to shorter durations of use. I think your proposed dosage of 20mg daily is reasonable for 4 weeks.

Super DMZ is a potent legal steroid that should illicit solid gains in lean body mass with little water or fat gain depending on diet.

Chemical Name(s):
17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine

[Curt James]

Super DMZ is (snip)

Hey, thank you, heavyiron. Very detailed and much appreciated.

Saw the DMZ thread on MD, too. lol

Funny stuff.

[HammerStrength12]

I've heard d-zine or 17beta-hydroxy 2alpha, 17 alpha-dimethyl 5alpha, androstan3-on azine is basically rat poison.



Took 10mg once per day for four weeks. Saw good strength gains and ten pounds in body weight.

Thinking of taking 6-8 weeks off and finishing the bottle at 10mg twice per day for another four weeks.

Thoughts?

Was that a quote from my PM? Lol...

[HammerStrength12]

Super DMZ is Dimethazine alone however it may undergo a conversion like a PH into Methyldrostanolone once ingested. Therefore Super DMZ does not contain Superdrol but once broken down it is similar as far as I can tell.

Dimethazine was a prescribed steroid at one time therefore we have human trials in which this steroid was used. Dimethazine is basically an oral Masterone (drostanolone propionate). I am reading published reports that Dimethazine possesses an androgenic rating of 96 and an anabolic rating of 210. Furthermore it seems to possess little to no estrogenic or progestational activity.

Dimethazine is an oral c-17alpha alkylated steroid that is liver toxic to a degree. Note that in studies administering 20mg per day to patients for 45-95 days, dimethazine was shown to induce modest to moderate bilirubinemia (excess bilirubin in the blood, indicative of hepatic stress) in close to 50% of patients. Approximately 25% of the patients noticed substantial increases in serum transaminases. These results suggest this steroid has significant hepatoxicity and should therefore be limited to shorter durations of use. I think your proposed dosage of 20mg daily is reasonable for 4 weeks.

Super DMZ is a potent legal steroid that should illicit solid gains in lean body mass with little water or fat gain depending on diet.

Chemical Name(s):
17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine

Is this from Llewelyn or IForce? IForce basically introduced this product to the market, so I'd imagine if it was taken from IForce, probably a pretty biased study.

Even if it is true, all the PH companies left today that use D-Zine in their "stacks" are shady as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if their products were "tainted" or didn't even contain d-zine to begin with. Especially for an older guy like Curt, test/HRT is a WAYYY better option. I know a few 25 year olds that never recovered from their SD cycles.

[IzlamikPork]

i want 2 shoot GIANT loads for sport while i pound away at my groupies during my weekly orgys ..seriously

so whats better daily dose of clomid @ 50 mg or hcg ?
never used hcg so whats a recomended dose for spoting purposes

.. i need 2 be able 2 give all 4 - 5 girls in the orgy an equal amount of pearl necklaces

Oxy,

Clomid @ 100mg a night for 1st week, 50mg a night afterwards, HCG, and if you're truly serious, Proviron @ 25mg a night (maybe 50mg for a guy your size), and throw in some Cabergoline.

You can also inject Viagra directly into your penis.

Have fun, and send us vids.

[bad rad]

Super DMZ is Dimethazine alone however it may undergo a conversion like a PH into Methyldrostanolone once ingested. Therefore Super DMZ does not contain Superdrol but once broken down it is similar as far as I can tell.

Dimethazine was a prescribed steroid at one time therefore we have human trials in which this steroid was used. Dimethazine is basically an oral Masterone (drostanolone propionate). I am reading published reports that Dimethazine possesses an androgenic rating of 96 and an anabolic rating of 210. Furthermore it seems to possess little to no estrogenic or progestational activity.

Dimethazine is an oral c-17alpha alkylated steroid that is liver toxic to a degree. Note that in studies administering 20mg per day to patients for 45-95 days, dimethazine was shown to induce modest to moderate bilirubinemia (excess bilirubin in the blood, indicative of hepatic stress) in close to 50% of patients. Approximately 25% of the patients noticed substantial increases in serum transaminases. These results suggest this steroid has significant hepatoxicity and should therefore be limited to shorter durations of use. I think your proposed dosage of 20mg daily is reasonable for 4 weeks.

Super DMZ is a potent legal steroid that should illicit solid gains in lean body mass with little water or fat gain depending on diet.

Chemical Name(s):
17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine

Paraphrased from Bill L., Dimethzine was also sold as the prescription drug Roxilon and is two methyl-drostanolone molecules bonded together, they are separated in vivo.


This stuff is just fancy Superdrol and its clones, not something I would recommend for newer users. I used a lot of Superdrol in the past and really f-ed my cholesterol levels for close to a year.

[heavyiron]

Is this from Llewelyn or IForce? IForce basically introduced this product to the market, so I'd imagine if it was taken from IForce, probably a pretty biased study.

Even if it is true, all the PH companies left today that use D-Zine in their "stacks" are shady as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if their products were "tainted" or didn't even contain d-zine to begin with. Especially for an older guy like Curt, test/HRT is a WAYYY better option. I know a few 25 year olds that never recovered from their SD cycles.

I wrote that brief review based on human trials and the available data. I consulted Llewellyn but I am not convinced that the molecules both convert to methesterone. I think the azine bridge will alter the one side of the molecule. The liver data is solid as far as I can tell.

Yup, HRT is best for Curt but he has already run the cycle so...

There is a guy I know out in Colorado who is getting pharm grade Dimethazine in his sups. The product is Super-DMZ rx