the rumors are flying..big changes for Womens BBing

**saiyajinali** · 10-20-2010, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by 2hot4u

i totally agree with this!!! I was 2nd at masters and 4th at usa's last year and looks like it might be the end of my chapter of fbb. saddens me but what can we do. NOTHING.

This is not right.. But you have the men folk(IFBB, Chic) to thank for this.. Hell Chic cant stand FBB's from what I have observed..

One of the Weiders (Dont know which one) said once that FBB's need to be at home in the kitchen making their men's dinners..

Now that I think about it, Joe Weider is never escorted onstage to shake hands or give medals to any of the women at the Olympia weekend..

**K-Max** · 10-20-2010, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by huge285

In 2012 the new criteria and rules would just apply to the WOMENS' BBING division (amateur and pro)..........there's no need to create a new PHYSIQUE division and then eventually dump women's bbing.

A downsized IRIS KYLE is still gonna be MS OLYMPIA............ Just something to consider.

I disagree, only because I get a sense that there's a need to "rebrand" what's known as female bodybuilding on the marketing level and no matter how they go about it, it's a no-win situation to ease the blow on FBBs of today.

I think when any athletic gal not involved in the culture hears "Female Bodybuilding" they think "huge", "ugly", "unfeminine." So "phasing out" female bodybuilding might be seen as getting rid of "ugly." and hearing "physique" -maybe- gets them more interested.

Iris's cuts, striations, vascularity, muscularity and overall package during her run will always stay entrenched in our minds for years to come. To have Iris downsize to the "physique" level, I'm not sure if it's a look that will represent the new brand well. On the other hand, after hearing Iris's interview on Heavy Muscle Radio the other week, it might be a challenge Iris is willing to take on. Only Iris knows the answer. Someone needs to ask her.

Originally Posted by tre

Just because a few people might *hope* women's bodybuilding will just go away doesn't mean it will.

Agreed. All that someone has to do is find a good business model for the hardcore look to continue. I wonder who would do it?

**Curt James** · 10-20-2010, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by fitbody

Paul Dillets federation doesn't have FBB
i went to one of his shows a few yrs back
i had 2 girls in the show
at 1/2 time i knew one of the judges
i asked "when do the FBBers come on"
he said "they don't want that kind here"
that was it my brain snapped shut
and i will never support another one of his shows

Jesus.

Av · 10-20-2010, 08:51 PM

o man. i like the big look. its very hard for women to get to those ranks. its very impressive to say the least.

**Curt James** · 10-20-2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by tammyp

talk is that we will be changed to physique and will no longer be called bodybuilding.

Tammy or anyone else, is there a link somewhere to an official decree of some kind or is that what this is, talk?

**powergirl** · 10-20-2010, 09:00 PM

It's always surprising to me that so few FBB's actually chime in on these discussions (which are polite and well-regulated from ignorance) and offer their perspective...especially pros. Perhaps that is part of the problem. There is an attitude of individualism (for whatever reason) that prevents a consensus.
When I was speaking with Brigita (who is a wonderful BB and person) at the "O" on this subject (about how few FBB's there are and why we need to 'get along') we both agreed that this is definitely an area that needs work. We also said please someone hit us on the head if we ever think that being a pro means being arrogant, a diva, or being unable to have a real conversation with other people in this sport.
Maybe it's just that some of us are more computer literate?

I appreciate people like Beni, Debbie, Sassy, Dawn, Tammy and others for putting their opinions and themselves on the line to contribute. And obviously a place to do it where there is the ability to disagree in a respectful manner. That's how you get EDUCATED and the more we learn about others, the more we can appreciate and perhaps do something MEANINGFUL.
Part of this discussion does need to address that 1. women are not involved in the decision making (the athletes themselves) and 2. in the past, many (not all) do not seem to be interested.
Perhaps there is no official venue to do so? Living overseas, I just use the forums to stay informed, other than that I truly am out of the loop. So just another thought that may be relevant in how things evolve in this sport...

**powergirl** · 10-20-2010, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by fitbody

maybe women in ur country
maybe its the water here in Canada
look at Zoa
i'm pint sized compared to her
if you didn't know Swede
Zoa is Canadian

LOL @ Dawn.
I can't help my height so when you put me up on the pro stage I look almost 'figure like' LOL with my height and tiny joints....backstage I even felt like I should put on heels haha
Like Debbie though, I don't want to stop training, this body has been a project for years and I like it just fine.

Dawn to me you look pretty friggin buff too so no complaints from you woman.

**Curt James** · 10-20-2010, 09:06 PM

^Is Brigita considered too big?

And was this posted in this thread?

This is from Bob Cicherillo, the IFBB Pro Athlete's rep as posted on GETBIG.com

You're a little off on the title and on why its being done...here are some facts

Yes, there is a new division that will be put in place, it's called "WOMENS PHYSIQUE DIVISION"

It will not replacing WBB, it's a whole different division

They will not wear heels

WBB has phased itself out with numbers dwindling to the point that we can no longer justify it

This new division has NOTHING to do with any of the others in terms of any rule changes as you mentioned, there will be no changes to Figure, bikini.

The WPD will run much like a FBB competition except for a few things...the girls will do quarter turns, mandatories, routine...difference will be the poses will be restructured to be more feminine and the physiques will resemble more of the physiques of WBB in the early to mid 80's...

Initially, there will be only one class...as numbers grow, so will the class sizes/ structure

Figure girls that are too hard for figure would fit in , as would the same for Fitness...FBB would have to scale it WAY down to even have a chance of fitting into the criteria. This will not resemble FBB by any stretch as to what it is today

What, the women will hold their pinky fingers in the air? This god damn word "feminine" just haunts female bodybuilding. Insecure men who are afraid of a woman with some muscle. What does sexuality have to do with athletics?

**Gaoshang Xiongshou** · 10-20-2010, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by powergirl

It's always surprising to me that so few FBB's actually chime in on these discussions (which are polite and well-regulated from ignorance) and offer their perspective...especially pros. Perhaps that is part of the problem. There is an attitude of individualism (for whatever reason) that prevents a consensus.
When I was speaking with Brigita (who is a wonderful BB and person) at the "O" on this subject (about how few FBB's there are and why we need to 'get along') we both agreed that this is definitely an area that needs work. We also said please someone hit us on the head if we ever think that being a pro means being arrogant, a diva, or being unable to have a real conversation with other people in this sport.
Maybe it's just that some of us are more computer literate?

I appreciate people like Beni, Debbie, Sassy, Dawn, Tammy and others for putting their opinions and themselves on the line to contribute. And obviously a place to do it where there is the ability to disagree in a respectful manner. That's how you get EDUCATED and the more we learn about others, the more we can appreciate and perhaps do something MEANINGFUL.
Part of this discussion does need to address that 1. women are not involved in the decision making (the athletes themselves) and 2. in the past, many (not all) do not seem to be interested.
Perhaps there is no official venue to do so? Living overseas, I just use the forums to stay informed, other than that I truly am out of the loop. So just another thought that may be relevant in how things evolve in this sport...

It is going to stay that way too. I have been watching this thread since sometime after 6AM two days ago, and pretty much have parked on this thread.

**~gymdiva~** · 10-20-2010, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Curt James

What, the women will hold their pinky fingers in the air? This god damn word "feminine" just haunts female bodybuilding. Insecure men who are afraid of a woman with some muscle. What does sexuality have to do with athletics?

oh Curt, pinkys up isn't so bad!

**Gaoshang Xiongshou** · 10-20-2010, 09:19 PM

**Curt James** · 10-20-2010, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by ~gymdiva~

oh Curt, pinkys up isn't so bad!

John's lookin MIGHTY FEMININE in that pose!

**tiramisu** · 10-20-2010, 09:25 PM

While I'm not a fan of the female mass monsters when I look at bodybuilders like Iris Kyle I can't help but be impressed. It would be a shame to lose the best of bodybuilding to fashion.