UPDATED 11/9/10 with CRITERIA - Womens Physique Division Answers

**fitbody** · 10-23-2010, 09:28 PM

CHICK, is this too big for WPD ?

**chick** · 10-23-2010, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by fitbody

CHICK, is this too big for WPD ?

No, she looks pretty good

**Ibarramedia** · 10-23-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by chick

No, she looks pretty good

That is a younger version of Dawn. Many,many years ago.

**debbiebramwell** · 10-23-2010, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ibarramedia

That is a younger version of Dawn. Many,many years ago.

is it? dawn allison?

**Ibarramedia** · 10-23-2010, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by debbiebramwell

is it? dawn allison?

Yes it is Deb.

**debbiebramwell** · 10-23-2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ibarramedia

Yes it is Deb.

wow!!!

**fitbody** · 10-23-2010, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ibarramedia

That is a younger version of Dawn. Many,many years ago.

hey it wasn't that long ago !
lol
it was 1999
after crack addiction thatz the truth lol
cleaned up from CRACK in 1996
hadn't eaten FOOD or trained in a yr and 1/2
had been clean off steriods for over 4 years
competed totally 100% clean nothing nada no clen no nothing
and thatz what i looked liked

thatz me at 118 lbs at 5 foot 2 and 3/4 inches tall lol
as opposed to my avi this year same height i hope and 155 lbs

Originally Posted by debbiebramwell

is it? dawn allison?

well not exactly my name only has one "L" in it
the Dawn Allison with 2 "L"s is a porn star
and Dawn Alison with 1 "L" is a bodybuilder

**Tre** · 10-23-2010, 10:09 PM

What does Betty Pariso have to say about all this?

I've been following much of the conversation, but do not recall yet having seen any statements from her.

**debbiebramwell** · 10-23-2010, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by fitbody

hey it wasn't that long ago !
lol
it was 1999
after crack addiction thatz the truth lol
cleaned up from CRACK in 1996
hadn't eaten FOOD or trained in a yr and 1/2
had been clean off steriods for over 4 years
competed totally 100% clean nothing nada no clen no nothing
and thatz what i looked liked

well not exactly my name only has one "L" in it
the Dawn Allison with 2 "L"s is a porn star
and Dawn Alison with 1 "L" is a bodybuilder

nice!! I love the pic!

**Nancypro** · 10-23-2010, 10:11 PM

This is going to be a great opportunity for athletes who don't think they fit into the mold of either a figure competitor or a bodybuilder to create a whole new world of competition. I think this is an exciting time. More choices for more types of bodies is a good thing in my opinion.
I would love to see a way to make it distinguished, as some have mentioned before. You can certainly tell the difference between a bodybuilder and a figure competitor, and it would be great to have something to set apart the physique division. When I first heard of it I thought maybe the idea was to be in a black suit and black heels, that would create a sophisticated and elegant look. Everyone looks good in black. The combination of open hand posing along with heels seems like it would create an unique distinguished look. Since this division is not figure and it is also not bodybuilding. It is something new and different.

It will be interesting to see what types of routines are also going to be created. I can see a slower fitness routine looking very nice, something that shows the definition and lines and also with some upbeat fitness type of moves. I am sure everyone has their own vision of how they see it and our goal as representatives of the IFBB is to get those ideas that are in our heads to all match to this new and fresh division. I think it will be great for the sport. Defining the division seems primary to logistics.
Maybe some people can chime in who think they would fare well in this division and post some thoughts of how they would sculpt their physique to create this look. We are after all body artists, and I think anyone of us is capable of creating a look that is artistically as well as athletically pleasing.

**chick** · 10-23-2010, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tre

What does Betty Pariso have to say about all this?

I've been following much of the conversation, but do not recall yet having seen any statements from her.

Thats because she has been on vacation...she'll be back this week. She is on board and behind this 100%...

I'm sure she'll have plenty to share

**Manavs** · 10-23-2010, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by chick

3. Bodybuilding is bodybuilding...classic or otherwise, there is no way to govern and control progress. Ultimately, it's the use of "supps" that puts it over the top, and subsequently, out of touch with whats realistic to expect the paying public, etc, to support

Bob,

Thank you for addressing the 800lb elephant in the room -

It would seem to me that if supps are at the heart of the dilemma, the creation of a legit natural or tested npc amateur and ifbb pro divisions to go alongside (not replace) what is out there currently, would answer your issues with the current state of bb and everyone would automatically understand the criteria - (get ripped, hard, and dry, but not HYUUUGE or masculine)

To me, it begs the question - what will be in place to prevent the physique division from progressing too far or in your words "control progress"? As the judging panel's track record to "control progress" is one that took us from Zane, Dickerson, Bannout as the standard to Coleman, Cutler, Greene (AC). And for pro Figure a hard Davana, Jenny Lynn, Lado, Ziville to a soft Nicole Wilkins Lee,

Respectfully -
Michael

**OMEGA** · 10-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ibarramedia

Yes it is Deb.

if and young 80's Bergman is too big you guys
are going to have problems and waste a good effort.

watch just the first minute

if thats too big,the division will not tap into what your all trying to do.

By the way I design supps for a living and do this stuff in and out
and am very aware of marketing.

We want to reach a wide demographic as well.

you all know what Jamie Eason singly handisly did ( you know)

you can do the same if you do the mens physique and women division right

**Susan-Marie Smith** · 10-23-2010, 10:48 PM

Hi, Bob.
When do you anticipate the IFBB/NPC releasing criteria for the new division?
If my memory is correct, I think you've mentioned a return to more of a Cory Everson-type look. Gina Aliotti or Larissa Reis were also mentioned as prototypes of the physique that will do well in the new division.

If the earlier photo that fitbody posted of herself is also an acceptable look, the range of physiques between Cory, a modern day "too big" figure competitor, and the photo is very broad.

If the new division is "20%" more muscle than figure, then a couple of those examples don't necessarily seem to fit. Cory is significantly more muscular than Erin Stern, for example.

How should competitors interpret and reconcile these differences?

Thanks for your help.

**Canadian Chick** · 10-23-2010, 10:53 PM

i think i speak for all the bb girls when i say this division interests me BUT we worry that it sounds like it is just another figure division which we can't quite fit into. I Just hope girls in this division can have a lil more 'full' muscles, that'd make me happy and interested. I personally am NOT wanting to compete in womens pro bbing....so this division excites me!