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    10mg will make my little sister grow but that does not mean you should use the same dose...(sorry Curt.)

    Just sayin...


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    I agree with Heavyiron 20mgs seems to be the best starting point. I have seen some guys running 30mgs. DMZ is certainly legit, and very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerStrength12 View Post
    What do you think of this cycle?

    DMZ
    10/10/20/20
    Supports: Liv52, MN Lipid Stable, MN Pressure Stable

    PCT
    Clomid: 50/50/50/25
    5g Creatine, 2.5g Vit C

    Should aromasin be taken on cycle and for pct? It looks like there's little aromatase activity, but I suppose it's always a good idea to have it on hand just in case. I have a bottle of formestane on hand as well.
    Pct look good, I used to run SERM only pct's, but I have had better recovery adding additional supplements like DAA, something for cortisol like EndoAmp and others.

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    so no estrogen or progesterone issues and it doesnt shut you down and is great for putting on mass?? gotta be a downfall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Pct look good, I used to run SERM only pct's, but I have had better recovery adding additional supplements like DAA, something for cortisol like EndoAmp and others.
    Yep, I have a few bottles of TestForce2. Worked great as a part of PCT for my first test cycle. PA seems convinced that this stuff is the real deal and thinks that DAA could eventually be used as part of HRT.

    I like using AIs as well for aromatizing compounds, but the problem with the otc stuff is, just because they say it doesn't aromatize, doesn't necessarily mean anything as many of these products have had a history of being contaminated. So I like to play it safe. But I also know there can be downsides to overdoing it.

    That's why I'll probably stick with non-otc stuff, unless there's a ph/designer that comes from a company I can really trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    10mg will make my little sister grow but that does not mean you should use the same dose...(sorry Curt.)

    Just sayin...
    I respond pretty well to low doses. Gained a shit load of mass off of 400mg/week of cyp. Got pretty big on 20mg/week of epi, and most people need at least 30-40 to respond to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrous View Post
    so no estrogen or progesterone issues and it doesnt shut you down and is great for putting on mass?? gotta be a downfall?
    I never thought I would say this but I am loving it. It reminds me of a faster acting dryer d-bol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    I never thought I would say this but I am loving it. It reminds me of a faster acting dryer d-bol.
    Will you be getting your lipids checked? That's the only thing that potentially concerns me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerStrength12 View Post
    Will you be getting your lipids checked? That's the only thing that potentially concerns me.
    I could but it will be no different from other orals. They all crush HDL.

    Over the years I have found a combination of sups that really help my lipids. When I go on orals I step up my liver and lipid support.

    Omega 3 fish oils are a start. Do not use a complex. Omega 3 fish oil only. 6 grams daily.

    Fiber intake needs to increase. Eat fiberous veggies with your meals. If you cannot get 20 grams of fiber in per day use sups. There are fiber powders for your shakes or chewable fiber tabs. I use 4 grams right before bedtime but I get fiber all day. Fiber can lower bad cholesterol quite a bit.

    Plant sterols really lower LDL. I use a product called Cholestoff. It will lower LDL significantly. Here is a site for info. I buy mine at Sams club.
    http://www.naturemade.com/hearthealth/

    Niacin raises HDL in a dose dependant relationship. When all else fails use Niacin.

    Clean eating is not only good for lipids but good for liver health. Avoid bad fats and sugary foods.

    CQ-10 is a great anti-oxidant for the heart. It has also been clinically proven to lower blood pressure.

    Liv 52 has hundreds of studies demonstrating it's ability to lower liver enzymes and increase protein synthesis.

    Hydration is also key to liver health. Drink 1-2 gallons of water daily. When you are on orals and see yellow urine increase your water intake.


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    Very cool info ^^ It's always best to look at our diet to control AAS sides first then more ancillary drugs, or even worse, lowering our dose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    I could but it will be no different from other orals. They all crush HDL.

    Over the years I have found a combination of sups that really help my lipids. When I go on orals I step up my liver and lipid support.

    Omega 3 fish oils are a start. Do not use a complex. Omega 3 fish oil only. 6 grams daily.

    Fiber intake needs to increase. Eat fiberous veggies with your meals. If you cannot get 20 grams of fiber in per day use sups. There are fiber powders for your shakes or chewable fiber tabs. I use 4 grams right before bedtime but I get fiber all day. Fiber can lower bad cholesterol quite a bit.

    Plant sterols really lower LDL. I use a product called Cholestoff. It will lower LDL significantly. Here is a site for info. I buy mine at Sams club.
    http://www.naturemade.com/hearthealth/

    Niacin raises HDL in a dose dependant relationship. When all else fails use Niacin.

    Clean eating is not only good for lipids but good for liver health. Avoid bad fats and sugary foods.

    CQ-10 is a great anti-oxidant for the heart. It has also been clinically proven to lower blood pressure.

    Liv 52 has hundreds of studies demonstrating it's ability to lower liver enzymes and increase protein synthesis.

    Hydration is also key to liver health. Drink 1-2 gallons of water daily. When you are on orals and see yellow urine increase your water intake.
    Great post!

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    Default obviously effective but don't downplay potential hepatotoxicity

    I am not trying to be a dick, and agree dimethazine is clearly effective, but we should be cautious about the impact on liver.

    There is another way to read the study cited below in this post. It means nearly half the subjects experienced increased bilirubin, with a good portion of those having a problem that was significant. While the alarms over liver and "prohormones" are often overblown, this is two supordrol molecules that is alpha alkylated. Inexperienced users should be careful, especially those without access to blood tests.

    Protracted action of protein anabolism in gynecological oncology and its effect on hepatic function.

    Dambrosio, F.; Donatelli, G. Fontana. Univ. Milan, Cancro, Il (1963), 16(5), 553-604. Journal language unavailable. CAN 62:11656 AN 1965:11656 CAPLUS

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    ^where?

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    bought mine today

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    What do you think of this product as a support supplement while on? Seems similar to the one you posted. And it's made by Llewelyn lol.

    http://www.molecularnutrition.net/pr...pidstabil.html

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