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    Quote Originally Posted by NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM View Post
    Absolutely Mike. TRT can be a great thing. But some people do not like the idea of having to "pin" for the rest of their life. A good substitute would be HCGenerate as a post cycle.
    Really Bro? Really?

    I know you realize that I had taken that product on more than one occasion as we both know who each other are.

    I didn't make that post as an opportunity for someone to plug a product.

    If it is a "good substitute" could you explain my total test level of 164 then please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Rodrigues View Post
    Really Bro? Really?

    I know you realize that I had taken that product on more than one occasion as we both know who each other are.

    I didn't make that post as an opportunity for someone to plug a product.

    If it is a "good substitute" could you explain my total test level of 164 then please.
    exactly. this shit is getting retarded. i find it very hard to keep quiet when such dangerous lies are being thrown out there. there is a difference between selling crappy protein for 80.00 a bottle than telling people that a sup is all you need for recovery or test replacement. trying to trick people into dropping 50-70 bucks on a product at the expense of their health for the rest of their life is unacceptable period.

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    Hey J2jud, I was wondering what you thought of Trenazone? Im thinking of trying it for its recomp effects but I hear its a rough ride and it may be bad on lipid levels. Just trying to weigh the pros & cons. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Rodrigues View Post
    Really Bro? Really?

    I know you realize that I had taken that product on more than one occasion as we both know who each other are.

    I didn't make that post as an opportunity for someone to plug a product.

    If it is a "good substitute" could you explain my total test level of 164 then please.
    I've always loved HC Generate and thought it was a great product. Used it for pct for my last beastdrol cycle. Anyway, a week ago I had my bloodwork done and my test was at 30. Ive never had bloodtest but a friend told me I should this time. Really bad. I used to think it was working because I was so horny all the time, but I guess not. That's ok, I will keep buying need to build muscle products because I like them, but Hc Generate does not work for pct. If you want to buy proten powder and stuff that's cool, but people shouldn't confuse supplements with steroids. None of these otc things will work like the real stuff so be careful.

    Again I love needtobuildmuscle and think it's great they are a sponsor, but I will have to side with J2Jud here. They should NOT be giving out dangerous advice!
    Last edited by TheABomb; 06-11-2011 at 02:25 PM.

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    Hey I'm not bashing the company at all. I know alot of those guys. My issue is being told that a bunch of herbs is a substitute for a proper PCT for a drug. The only reason SD is legal to be sold as a supp is because the FDA never approved it to be scripted. Now that product was great for making the "south rise again", but a 164 test level doesn't lead me to believe it was effective in restoring natural test production.
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    My apologies to Jud for being a part of this thread getting jacked!!!

    So heres a SD question

    Week 1-2 30 mg/day
    Week 3-4 50 mg/day

    How would you protect your liver and chol levels during and restore you natural test levels as a PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Rodrigues View Post
    Hey I'm not bashing the company at all. I know alot of those guys. My issue is being told that a bunch of herbs is a substitute for a proper PCT for a drug. The only reason SD is legal to be sold as a supp is because the FDA never approved it to be scripted. Now that product was great for making the "south rise again", but a 164 test level doesn't lead me to believe it was effective in restoring natural test production.
    I agree I love ned2build muscle products, but I feel bad for going around this site and others telling people hc generate is a good substitute for trt. Wish I had known I was wrong before giving dangerous advice that hurts peoples health.
    Last edited by TheABomb; 06-11-2011 at 08:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by needtogetcrowns View Post
    I agree I love ned2build muscle products, but I feel bad for going around this site and others telling people hc generate is a good substitute for trt. Wish I had known I was wrong before giving dangerous advice that hurts peoples health.
    It's common practice for these assholes. And they do it knowing that its bad advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUNTAMINATED View Post
    It's common practice for these assholes. And they do it knowing that its bad advice.
    Is forma stanzol and need2slin bad for pct/trt too???

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUNTAMINATED View Post
    It's common practice for these assholes. And they do it knowing that its bad advice.
    Is forma stanzol and need2slin bad for pct/trt too??? I was told to use those 2 products plus photoserms for my beastdrol and test cyle over at Elite fitness. And my test level was still really low. My doctor wants to put on on andro gel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by needtogetcrowns View Post
    Is forma stanzol and need2slin bad for pct/trt too??? I was told to use those 2 products plus photoserms for my beastdrol and test cyle over at Elite fitness. And my test level was still really low. My doctor wants to put on on andro gel.
    how long ago was it. you may be able to run a real pct and still recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe d View Post
    how long ago was it. you may be able to run a real pct and still recover.
    PCT ended a little over a month ago, bloodwork was 2 weeks ago. Cycle was 600mg test E per week with 2 caps of beastdrol a day for 10 weeks. Forma Stanzol was used on cycle and pct was forma stanzol, hc generate, phytosarms and need2slin.

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    get some hcg adex, and clomid fast.

    3000iu hcg e3d for first 2 shots, then 1000iu hcg eod for 5 shots then the day after your last hcg pin start clomid 100/100/50/50
    run the adex at .5mg eod while on the hcg then taper it down to .25mg eod for the first week into the clomid then drop it.

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    wait a couple months after pct to get more bloods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe d View Post
    get some hcg adex, and clomid fast.

    3000iu hcg e3d for first 2 shots, then 1000iu hcg eod for 5 shots then the day after your last hcg pin start clomid 100/100/50/50
    run the adex at .5mg eod while on the hcg then taper it down to .25mg eod for the first week into the clomid then drop it.
    Thanks I'll use real hcg instead of hcgenerate this time.

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