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[BK]

I don't know about him being able to outdrive any golfer. What about those guys that compete in those longest drive competitions that are on ESPN??? Some of those guys can drive up to 500 yards!!!

Yea thats crazy as hell. No I was talking about the guys that are on the circuit. I believe Daly is 400+ yard driver.

[ElSpiko]

I don't need to get on a stage and pose to answer this question. I have never witnessed Kai Greene pose and really don't care to. Posing routines are artitstic in nature. Setting up a posing routine to display your best features does not require one to be athletic. Does it take practice to put it together? Yes it does, but it requires no athletic ability whatsoever. Contracting a muscle in a posing routine requires some stamina, but only because the bodybuilder has depeleted there bodies of water, sodium, and carbs so it will be quite hard to hold a pose for an extended period of time. When comparing this to the efforts of a wrestler, who has had to deplete his body to make weight, there is absolutely no comparison. The wrestler has to go out on the mat, and for three 3 minute rounds grapple, keep from getting pinned, apply resistance and force on his opponent continously. Kai Greene, or any other bodybuilder, would'nt stand a chance in this environment.

Your ignorance is astounding. Watch one of his routines, say his last arnold classic routine. Then record yourself replicating it, and tell me that requires no athletic ability. By your logic, gymnasts are not athletes either. Nor are any athletes who compete in individual sports, because all that takes is practice, not athletic ability; because apparently you are the first to discover that when one trains their body to perform specific movements, that does not require any athletic ability whatsoever. Really makes me wonder why football players and wrestlers practice drills and maneuvers, because there's nothing athletic about that. And again, you've never even been on stage, or gone through all the mandatories or put together a posing routine, yet you feel qualified to say they require no athletic ability. That's like throwing a football back and forth with a friend and deducing from that being an NFL quarterback is easy and doesn't take all that much work because all you're doing is throwing a ball, right?

[ElSpiko]

Throw in some hurdles and you have a different ballgame all together.
An athlete performs movements at varying speeds, angles and thru various ranges of motion. Athletics require kinesthetic awareness, agility, balance, hand-eye coordination, speed-strength, strength-speed, power output to varying degrees. I do not see how bodybuilders express athleticism by posing.

I don't need to get on a stage and pose to answer this question. I have never witnessed Kai Greene pose and really don't care to. Posing routines are artitstic in nature. Setting up a posing routine to display your best features does not require one to be athletic. Does it take practice to put it together? Yes it does, but it requires no athletic ability whatsoever. Contracting a muscle in a posing routine requires some stamina, but only because the bodybuilder has depeleted there bodies of water, sodium, and carbs so it will be quite hard to hold a pose for an extended period of time.

Just wanted to point out what an idiot you are

[BK]

Yea, I am sure that there are some very athletic individuals competing in BB'ing right now. But you are right, bodybuilding is not athletic. It is a beauty paegent and/ or exposition of well muscled bodies.

Read the post above, from me, and you will see where I stand. You apparently failed to read it while calling me ignorant.

[BK]

Your ignorance is astounding. Watch one of his routines, say his last arnold classic routine. Then record yourself replicating it, and tell me that requires no athletic ability. By your logic, gymnasts are not athletes either. Nor are any athletes who compete in individual sports, because all that takes is practice, not athletic ability; because apparently you are the first to discover that when one trains their body to perform specific movements, that does not require any athletic ability whatsoever. Really makes me wonder why football players and wrestlers practice drills and maneuvers, because there's nothing athletic about that. And again, you've never even been on stage, or gone through all the mandatories or put together a posing routine, yet you feel qualified to say they require no athletic ability. That's like throwing a football back and forth with a friend and deducing from that being an NFL quarterback is easy and doesn't take all that much work because all you're doing is throwing a ball, right?

Actually, I have given examples of individual sports and team sports in this thread, but you obviously got into such a hurry to try and prove me wrong you failed to read each post thoroughly, which makes you a total jackass. Gymansts are very athletic individuals with extreme body control and balance, strength and coordination, but they utilize there body in sport and they express there athleticism through jumping, flipping, balancing, twisting, and running. As a former football player, I can say with complete confidence that the technical skills of an offensive lineman run blocking, and perfroming it full speed on a play, far supercedes any "athleticism" you may think a bodybuilder has.