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**axioma** · 01-21-2011, 09:46 AM

Excellent info, worth the wait!!!!! Thanks.

**Hammerfit** · 01-21-2011, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by s2h

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...th-hormone.htm i found this very informative...

Great read...basically here's the message

If you’ve been using GH without T4, you’ve been wasting half your money – and if you’ve been using it with T3, you’ve been wasting your time. Start using T4 with your GH, and you’ll finally be getting the full results from your investment.

Read more from this MESO-Rx article at: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...#ixzz1BgaE1t3W

**s2h** · 01-21-2011, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by axioma

Excellent info, worth the wait!!!!! Thanks.

awesome..sorry about the absence..i skipped school alot..so its by nature..i will be better..glad that helped ya...

**axioma** · 01-27-2011, 02:10 PM

Ran across this Anthony Roberts profile related to T3 and T4. Did a pretty good job of explaining why some say T3...the synergy that results from T4 and GH.

Recently though, due mostly to an article written by myself and Dr.James Daemon, T4 has been experiencing a bit of a renaissance. This is due to it being a bit more muscle sparing, and synergy with growth hormone. Most bodybuilders use use GH for precontest dieting, and T4 has found a bit of a niche for those using GH and dieting. At this point, whether on a diet or not, T4 has become a much sought after drug for use with cutting cycles which include Growth hormone. I have even received a phone call from doctors and Hormone Replacement Clinics, who wanted more practical information on the use of GH + T4.
So, at this point, I think that most of the people in the bodybuilding world who are using T4 are using it along with their Growth Hormone for the most part.
Anecdotally, many bodybuilders feel that T4 is less harsh on muscle tissue and they’re able to maintain more muscle when dieting down by using T4, than compared with when they’ve used T3.

Read more from this MESO-Rx article at: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...#ixzz1CGS0UwDD

**axioma** · 01-27-2011, 02:55 PM

What is your opinion regarding reconstituting Gh? I have been told to use bac water, as it is more stable and less degradation of Gh, however I see where manufacturers say sterile saline. Will use of bac water damage the Gh?

**s2h** · 01-27-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by axioma

What is your opinion regarding reconstituting Gh? I have been told to use bac water, as it is more stable and less degradation of Gh, however I see where manufacturers say sterile saline. Will use of bac water damage the Gh?

bac water is fine..alot of the probs with reconstituting GH comes from ones care of it..mixing it to fast..shaking it..off temp etc..treat it like a baby..nice and soft...

**axioma** · 01-27-2011, 04:00 PM

Thanks, I almost had a heart attack, thinking I was screwing up the $$$baby.

**Hammerfit** · 01-27-2011, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by axioma

Ran across this Anthony Roberts profile related to T3 and T4. Did a pretty good job of explaining why some say T3...the synergy that results from T4 and GH.

Recently though, due mostly to an article written by myself and Dr.James Daemon, T4 has been experiencing a bit of a renaissance. This is due to it being a bit more muscle sparing, and synergy with growth hormone. Most bodybuilders use use GH for precontest dieting, and T4 has found a bit of a niche for those using GH and dieting. At this point, whether on a diet or not, T4 has become a much sought after drug for use with cutting cycles which include Growth hormone. I have even received a phone call from doctors and Hormone Replacement Clinics, who wanted more practical information on the use of GH + T4.
So, at this point, I think that most of the people in the bodybuilding world who are using T4 are using it along with their Growth Hormone for the most part.
Anecdotally, many bodybuilders feel that T4 is less harsh on muscle tissue and they’re able to maintain more muscle when dieting down by using T4, than compared with when they’ve used T3.

Read more from this MESO-Rx article at: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...#ixzz1CGS0UwDD

So being the simple mind that I am....if T3 is good for fat reduction without GH and T4 converts into T3 and T4 is less harse on muscle wasting than T3 why wouldn't T4 be better also without GH for fat reduction while on low carb diet?

**Bobr** · 01-30-2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by s2h

i normally take a simple approach to GH as far as chinese GH and pharm grade...pharm grade is 2ius ed..chinese is 4ius ed..this is a simple formula for fat loss puposes..the prob with Ch GH is its not all the same..many come in with the same labels.# etc but the quality can be suspect at times..as far as test and gh..it really depends on your goal...there are several studies that show that the use of high dosing GH doesnt warrant the return...

Here's my take and experience on Chinese Vs pharma grade. I used Nordatropin at about 2.5 Iu/day for 2 years. With this dose/product I had carpal tunnel symptoms for about 8 weeks then none. This dosage with this product was very expensive and was breaking my bank so I looked to the street for some financial relief. I found Chinese unlabeled for $2.50/IU. I was paying about 17 bucks/iu for the pharma grade. I immediately upped my dosage to 5 iu/day and within 6 weeks had carpal tunnels symptoms real bad. I hung on as long as I could then finally had to drop to 5 IU 2 on and one off which effective lowered my dosage about 1/3. I still have finger stiffness and some hand tingling but I can live with this. Before I cut the dosage I was awakened at least 3 times per night with burning pain from my elbow to my fingers. I also found that with the Chinese I needed more t3. I am now taking about twice as much as when I was using the Nordatropin. As was mentioned the quality may vary. I had some sold to me that looked like crack rocks. I exchanged them and told my guy to not try to sell me any more of that crap. I now inspect every vial before I pay. I would say that, if anything, the Chinese stuff is more potent-at least the stuff I'm getting.

**Bobr** · 01-30-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by s2h

a solid point..many "jump" into using t4/t3 w/out knowing what there natural levels are..so if your deficient in one of these then more may be needed..BW is a must to find were you stand...

When I started feeling sluggish after beginning the Chinese HGH usage I had mine tested and found it to be very low. I was taking Armour then. I just added straight T3 to the Armour and it's now where I want it.

**s2h** · 02-01-2011, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hammerfit

So being the simple mind that I am....if T3 is good for fat reduction without GH and T4 converts into T3 and T4 is less harse on muscle wasting than T3 why wouldn't T4 be better also without GH for fat reduction while on low carb diet?

t3 is a much more active hormone..so its use alone is going to be more effective then t4....

**Bobr** · 03-07-2011, 09:37 AM

I've been using Tren ace since I started using tren. Recently I got some Tren enathate that I'd like to use on my next cycle. What is the optimum dosing for enanthate?

**D_T** · 03-09-2011, 11:19 PM

I might have to dig into my (deceased) dog's supply of prescription T4. That shit was dirt cheap for a bottle of 1,000. LOL.

**mkris7** · 03-15-2011, 02:24 PM

Never tried GH. Always been old school with the ASS. Think 70's and 80's popular ones.
My question, now that I am in my mid forties, would it be beneficial to include in a stack?

And is better for off season, or contest. My purpose would be quality vs. Mass.
Thanks in Advance.

**Bobr** · 03-15-2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by mkris7

Never tried GH. Always been old school with the ASS. Think 70's and 80's popular ones.
My question, now that I am in my mid forties, would it be beneficial to include in a stack?

And is better for off season, or contest. My purpose would be quality vs. Mass.
Thanks in Advance.

Some guys say that HGH precipitates growth and some say not so much. I'm in the "not so much" camp. If I use more than 10 IU's in 3 days my hands go numb so that may be my problem. I'm still using it but not with any expectations.