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    Quote Originally Posted by axioma View Post
    Questions related to HGH...
    1. At what dose (40+ male) is it advantageous to supplement GH w/T3? and for what duration?
    2. At what dose and to what end is it (ever?) advantageous to supplement GH w/T3 AND T4? How long?
    3. While typical protocol is 2-4ius daily, is there a point of diminishing return by upping dose? Is there any benefit from ramping up to 10+ ius daily for 8-12 weeks?

    While I want your (collective) opinions, questions are prompted to a degree by posts by GH15 on other boards. If you aren't a Master or have specific knowledge related to this subject, please don't clutter with conjecture...thanks.

    I use blood tests to determine my T3/T4 level then supplement to get into the high normal range. Most of the time using HGH dosages in the range you are discussing will necessitate T3/T4 supplementation. At 4 iu per day I need a pretty high thyroid dosage. Your results may vary.

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    Awesome thread, would love to learn more about GH and T3. Please expound on various protocols Always been on the fence, I have to be throughly educated before trying anything.

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    Hope someone gets back to this thread soon, keep it alive...the longer it sits, the more likely to have it digress to conjecture and bro-isms....

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    it wont. I will weed bro-ism's.

    sorry, but I had a hot brunette performing sexual favors all weekend and I need this morning to recover. i'm getting old. trying to keep up with a hot 30'something is more challenging than i remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle attila View Post
    it wont. I will weed bro-ism's.

    sorry, but I had a hot brunette performing sexual favors all weekend and I need this morning to recover. i'm getting old. trying to keep up with a hot 30'something is more challenging than i remember.
    You....Baldie....hmmmmm

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    and to those who wondered.... sallyanne was blond when we were first seeing one another. she is back to brunette now.

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    Got an addendum to the gh/t3 question:
    At what dose, test and gh, would the most "synergy" (iyo) occur?

    What is your experience (if any) with chinese growth and how (iyo) would it stack, iu:iu with the pharm grade? I understand that pharm is the way to go/grow, however positive results have been achieved with the soma's, hygets, etc. What is a good equivalence ratio?
    Thanks guys.

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    I have noticed that the guys who are taking a lead on this thread have been active on the chem section. I don't mind going there if monitoring two threads is too time consuming. That said, should I repost the above post regarding hgh/thyroid on the chem section?

    I, along with many others, would like to build a body of knowledge relavent to masters competitors. Someone mentioned that they got a prompt reply when PMing a question to one of the chem guys, and I don't mind doing that as well. I just thought that the above questions were pertinent and general enough to be answered in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axioma View Post
    Got an addendum to the gh/t3 question:
    At what dose, test and gh, would the most "synergy" (iyo) occur?

    What is your experience (if any) with chinese growth and how (iyo) would it stack, iu:iu with the pharm grade? I understand that pharm is the way to go/grow, however positive results have been achieved with the soma's, hygets, etc. What is a good equivalence ratio?
    Thanks guys.
    i normally take a simple approach to GH as far as chinese GH and pharm grade...pharm grade is 2ius ed..chinese is 4ius ed..this is a simple formula for fat loss puposes..the prob with Ch GH is its not all the same..many come in with the same labels.# etc but the quality can be suspect at times..as far as test and gh..it really depends on your goal...there are several studies that show that the use of high dosing GH doesnt warrant the return...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfit View Post
    Awesome thread, would love to learn more about GH and T3. Please expound on various protocols Always been on the fence, I have to be throughly educated before trying anything.
    this has been a topic of discussion in the chem section as of late..the actuall best results can be seen by using GH with t4..the conversion process of t4/t3 causes a greater reaction in the body..hence increasing the effectivness of Gh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobr View Post
    I use blood tests to determine my T3/T4 level then supplement to get into the high normal range. Most of the time using HGH dosages in the range you are discussing will necessitate T3/T4 supplementation. At 4 iu per day I need a pretty high thyroid dosage. Your results may vary.
    a solid point..many "jump" into using t4/t3 w/out knowing what there natural levels are..so if your deficient in one of these then more may be needed..BW is a must to find were you stand...

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    there are many factors that can effect ones production at the thyroid..females tend to have more issues then men in some cases..auto immune dieases such as hashi motos diease and scarin gof the thyroid..can cause major problems in the thyroids ability to function at a normal level...when your thyroid is not functioning correctly you will generally see high TSH #'s..this is becuse your pituatary gland is not getting any feedback from your body..so it will continue to produce high levels of TSH to attempt to signal your thyroid to produce..when this occurs t4 is administered to correct the situation...so if you have a slow or non functioning thyroid t3 isnt gonna be the answer in most cases...t4 is...

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    another common thought in the BB world is that you need to taper off of t3...there are clinical studies that show most peps with a normal thyroid..will bounce back from moderate t3 use w/out tapering down..exceptions would be excessive t3 use for long durations and a person with pre-exisitng thyroid issues..so in a nut shell..if you hav e a normal functioning thyroid(found thru pre use BW)and you run a avg pre-contest t3 cycle..say 25mcgs up to 75mcgs..there may be no need to taper down..as always get post show BW to determine were you stand...

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    and for the record, I answer PM's from my phone as well... we havent been ignoring you, the idea of sweeping out the old and bringing in the new was part of larger plan that for me, has become consumed with other projects and life. be patient my graying padawans. the info shall be wrong with you.

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