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    arimedex for an ai,and chlomid plus e-control for pct.

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    the neck i have few questions is it oke if i run superdmz with no liver protection and no ai and just do a pct with nolva and clomid for 4 weeks???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokito View Post
    the neck i have few questions is it oke if i run superdmz with no liver protection and no ai and just do a pct with nolva and clomid for 4 weeks???

    I sure wouldn't recommend it. I would run a liver supp & keep an AI on hand, for sure.
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    thx mate , gonna run it for 4 /5 weeks on 20 mg a day

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    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)

    I'm gonna run this cycle in a few weeks!! Can't wait... Love Ironmaglabs products!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrex View Post
    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)

    I'm gonna run this cycle in a few weeks!! Can't wait... Love Ironmaglabs products!!
    awesome, would love to hear your feedback after the cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrex View Post
    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)

    I'm gonna run this cycle in a few weeks!! Can't wait... Love Ironmaglabs products!!
    Would starting the E-Control a week or two later make more sense? I'm only thinking of the possible rebound. For instance:

    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 2-5 (20mg e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 4-7 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)

    Just an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefyfan View Post
    Would starting the E-Control a week or two later make more sense? I'm only thinking of the possible rebound. For instance:

    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 2-5 (20mg e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 4-7 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)

    Just an opinion.

    You can, it's pretty much a case by case basis. A lot depends on how gyno proned each individual is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefyfan View Post
    Would starting the E-Control a week or two later make more sense? I'm only thinking of the possible rebound. For instance:

    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 2-5 (20mg e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 4-7 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)

    Just an opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Neck View Post
    You can, it's pretty much a case by case basis. A lot depends on how gyno proned each individual is.
    Is E-Control Rx necessary during the first four weeks?

    Saw this elsewhere:

    FIRST 4 WEEKS:
    Super-DMZ Rx Rx - 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
    E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily
    Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
    Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2-4 caps daily

    LAST 4 WEEKS:
    E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily
    Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
    Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2-4 caps daily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    Is E-Control Rx necessary during the first four weeks?

    Saw this elsewhere:


    Using it the first 4wks is just playing it really safe. I don't use it personally until the end.
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    ^^^^ Thanks for the quick reply. Much appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Neck View Post
    Cycles ideas starting at Beginner, all the way through Advanced.


    6wk Cycle

    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-4 (6caps e/d)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    E-Control Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (2caps e/d)
    ______________________________ __________

    6wk Cycle

    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    Anabolic Marix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    E-Control Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (2caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    6wk Cycle

    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 1-6 (6caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    6wk Cycle

    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (30mg e/d)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    6wk Cycle

    Super-DMZ Rx > Weeks 1-4 (30mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 3-6 (6caps e/d)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    6wk Cycle

    Metha-Drol Extreme > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (3caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    6wk Cycle

    Metha-Drol Extreme > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 3-6 (6caps e/d)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (4caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    6wk Cycle

    Metha-Drol Extreme > Weeks 1-4 (30mg e/d)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 3-6 (6caps e/d)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (4caps e/d)
    ______________________________ ____________

    Could you post the quantities or "what is needed" of each bottle it would take to support each of these stacks? There is something similar posted on the website but not for these specific stacks you posted here. Sory if its a hassle but I am a Marine and not good at math LOL!

    For example:
    Metha-Drol Extreme > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d) (2 btl)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 3-6 (6caps e/d) (3btl)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d) (2 btl)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d) (2btl)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (4caps e/d) (2 btl)

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    No problem, I'll get back to you here shortly
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPoppa View Post
    Could you post the quantities or "what is needed" of each bottle it would take to support each of these stacks? There is something similar posted on the website but not for these specific stacks you posted here. Sory if its a hassle but I am a Marine and not good at math LOL!

    For example:
    Metha-Drol Extreme > Weeks 1-4 (20mg e/d) (2 btl)
    1-Andro Rx > Weeks 3-6 (6caps e/d) (3btl)
    Anabolic Matrix Rx > Weeks 3-6 (3caps e/d) (2 btl)
    E-Contol Rx > Weeks 3-6 (2caps e/d) (2btl)
    Advanced Cycle Support Weeks > 1-8 (4caps e/d) (2 btl)

    Metha-Drol = 1 btl
    1-Andro = 3 btl
    Anabolic Matrix = 2 btl
    E-Control = 2 btl
    Advanced Cycle Support = 2 btl
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Neck View Post
    Metha-Drol = 1 btl
    1-Andro = 3 btl
    Anabolic Matrix = 2 btl
    E-Control = 2 btl
    Advanced Cycle Support = 2 btl

    Thanks brother!

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    Anytime!!^^
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    What kind of gain's have people made from these stack's. 5-7 pounds or more

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    ^^^^ Ten pounds in four weeks from the beta formula of Super-DMZ Rx. Matched that amount on my second cycle of the current formula. Strength gains were crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    ^^^^ Ten pounds in four weeks from the beta formula of Super-DMZ Rx. Matched that amount on my second cycle of the current formula. Strength gains were crazy.
    Did you take anything besides Super DMZ, how long did you wait to start your second cycle?
    What did you do for post cycle ? Also can you peptides while using Super DMZ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rza1734 View Post
    Did you take anything besides Super DMZ, how long did you wait to start your second cycle?
    Besides Super-DMZ Rx, supplemented with Advanced Cycle Support, additional milk thistle, and the U.S. version of Liv.52.

    Here's info from my first cycle. I'm a Joe Below Average at best.

    Just completed four weeks of IronMagLabs Super-DMZ Rx. You will love this product!



    I'll be using LG Sciences Formadrol Extreme shortly. Formadrol was on the list of products to use as a follow-up supplement.



    Weight and measurements upon beginning using the IronMagLabs supplement:

    9/13/2010


    183.8 lbs.

    Neck 14.25
    R. Arm 12.5/14
    L. Arm same
    Shoulders 48
    Chest 40.5/45
    Waist 35
    Hips 39
    Thigh 23
    Calf 15
    Forearm 11.5
    Ankle 9.25
    Wrist 6.5

    Got a fricking cold during the third week, though. Bitter-making. But I definitely love this supplement and am looking forward to finishing the bottle at some point in the future.

    Taken after three weeks using Super-DMX:



    Note the Dorian Yates black socks action!

    10/2/2010

    193.9 lbs.
    Neck 14 7/8" Son of a... couldn't make it to 15?
    R. Arm 12 7/8" relaxed/hanging at side 14 5/8" flexed
    L. Arm 13" relaxed 14 5/8" flexed

    My left arm was 15" flexed and pumped after my most recent arm workout and with my fist nearly touching my freaking shoulder to squeeeeze out the extra hair to reach that measurement. lol

    Shoulders 49
    Chest 41.25/45.75
    Waist 35.25
    Hips 39.5
    Thigh 24
    Calf 15.5
    Forearm 12
    Ankle 9.25
    Wrist 6.5


    Started my second cycle almost nine months later:

    Started another cycle of Super-DMZ Rx on Monday. Taking 20mg e/d. Ten first thing and then 10mg pre-workout.

    Monday, June 20, 2011


    191.2 lbs.
    Ended the cycle just four weeks later.

    Monday, July 18, 2011

    205 lbs.
    I'll never be a powerhouse, but IronMagLabs Super-DMZ Rx really gives me a boost for size and strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rza1734 View Post
    What did you do for post cycle ? Also can you peptides while using Super DMZ ?
    During my second cycle, I also used Anabolic-Matrix Rx (2 caps daily with food).

    For PCT it was 6-Bromo (3 caps daily), Anabolic-Matrix Rx (2 caps daily with food), and Advanced Cycle Support Rx (2 caps daily).

    CEM's Liquid Clomi was highly recommended and I'll state that they offer their PCT product payable by Visa/MC and shipped USPS to your front door. Would strongly recommend you take a look at that product and -- if it's legal in your country -- incorporate it into your supplementation.

    Know very little about peptides, but will look into that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rza1734 View Post
    Did you take anything besides Super DMZ, how long did you wait to start your second cycle?
    What did you do for post cycle ? Also can you peptides while using Super DMZ ?
    Sorry for the delayed response. Was told peptides are fine.
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    Lookin great Curt!!
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    Just got the super DMZ stack in today. DMZ, Ultra Male, Anabolic Matrix, ACS, and 6-bromo. I know run the DMZ wks1-4, ACS wk1-8, My question is do you run the ultra male, anabolic and 6 bromo weeks 1-8 or hold ultra and anabolic matrix til week 5? ANy input will be appreciated. Thanks.

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    I took Anabolic-Matrix Rx all eight weeks. 6-Bromo was weeks 5-8.

    Haven't used Ultra Male Rx, but have seen it recommended for all eight weeks.

    Super-DMZ Rx is an awesome product. Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Neck View Post
    Lookin great Curt!!
    Thanks for the good word.
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    Thanks Curt. I started my DMZ stack 2 days ago. Im doing the dmz, ultra male, anabolic rx, and ACS. Im holding the 6bromo til the end. Im new to the PH arena but is the 6 bromo my PCT or should I seek other for weeks 5-8. I plan on running the ultra male, anabolic rx, ACS, and 6 bromo for weeks 5-8. Any thoughts or suggs??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmedic28 View Post
    Thanks Curt. I started my DMZ stack 2 days ago. Im doing the dmz, ultra male, anabolic rx, and ACS. Im holding the 6bromo til the end. Im new to the PH arena but is the 6 bromo my PCT or should I seek other for weeks 5-8. I plan on running the ultra male, anabolic rx, ACS, and 6 bromo for weeks 5-8. Any thoughts or suggs??

    The 6-Bromo will suffice but wouldn't be against adding a SERM.
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    Guess I should have asked this before but I've just started using Metha-Drol Extreme (2 caps/day) and Ultra-Male Rx (2 caps/day) together for about a week. I plan on doing this for about 5-6 weeks.
    Will these two products work together well and is this a good dosage? Any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    Besides Super-DMZ Rx, supplemented with Advanced Cycle Support, additional milk thistle, and the U.S. version of Liv.52.

    Here's info from my first cycle. I'm a Joe Below Average at best.





    Started my second cycle almost nine months later:



    Ended the cycle just four weeks later.



    I'll never be a powerhouse, but IronMagLabs Super-DMZ Rx really gives me a boost for size and strength.

    Nice work Curt 540 is awesome brotha keep killin that shit!

    I plan on starting a cycle of Metha Drol Extreme stacked witrh Haladrol Extreme 3 caps of MDE and 2 caps of HE ED along with a gram of Test Cyp divided into 3 pins a week will let you guys know what results I got but I won't start until mid December.First I got to go down another 20 pounds on this keto diet then when I start my cycle its carbs galore and bulking but slowly so I don't get fat anymore lost 100 pounds so far WOOHOOO LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Neck View Post
    The 6-Bromo will suffice but wouldn't be against adding a SERM.
    Which SERM would you recommend? BTW, Super DMZ hits hard and quick! DAMN!! LOvin it already!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmedic28 View Post
    Which SERM would you recommend? BTW, Super DMZ hits hard and quick! DAMN!! LOvin it already!!
    They do hit hard. I used them pre-wo a month or so ago to change up orals...make my veins real weak though. I get tons of bruises on it, but man it works. Serm-clomid

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    They do hit hard. I used them pre-wo a month or so ago to change up orals...make my veins real weak though. I get tons of bruises on it, but man it works. Serm-clomid
    THanks bro!! Should I take the clomid along with the DMZ or wait til week 5 and stack with the 6bromo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmedic28 View Post
    THanks bro!! Should I take the clomid along with the DMZ or wait til week 5 and stack with the 6bromo?
    Wait until you come off, and start the clomid the day after you quit the dmz. Dmz/superdrol doesn't convert to estrogen, its really dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAM View Post
    Guess I should have asked this before but I've just started using Metha-Drol Extreme (2 caps/day) and Ultra-Male Rx (2 caps/day) together for about a week. I plan on doing this for about 5-6 weeks.
    Will these two products work together well and is this a good dosage? Any suggestions?
    2caps e/d of each is solid. I would stop the Metha-drol at 4wks & run the Ultra Male to 6wks.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigmedic28 View Post
    Which SERM would you recommend? BTW, Super DMZ hits hard and quick! DAMN!! LOvin it already!!
    Yes it does, clomid is my preference.

    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    Wait until you come off, and start the clomid the day after you quit the dmz. Dmz/superdrol doesn't convert to estrogen, its really dry.

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    Thanks for the replies guys!! Day five approaching and can tell already! Reppin IronMagLabs hard for you guys. Have another guy already on the DMZ stack for you and getting results quick and have another fixing to place an order too(your Welcome, LOL). Continue the great work!! Will keep you posted!! Road to the Midwest!!... Stay Tuned...

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    Hi, I am a beginner at PH cycles. I was going to start a Sustanon 250/Winstrol cycle but decided to try a PH cycle first. After reading and researching a lot I've decided to try this cycle. Its a modified version of one from the top using the stack sold on ironmaglabs.com (they don't have 1-andro anymore). The doses are kinda funky but it makes the bottle pill counts work for 6 wks.

    Metha-drol Extreme weeks 1-4 (2 pills e/d (1 morning/1 evening))
    Ultra Male weeks 1-3 (1 pill e/d) weeks 4-6 (2 pills e/d)
    Androbolic Matrix weeks 1-6 (3 pills e/d (2 morning/1 evening))
    Advanced Cycle Support weeks 1-6 (3 pills e/d)

    PCT
    E Control weeks 3-6 (3 pills e/d)
    Clomid weeks 5-6 (1 50mg pill e/d)

    Nolvadex 20mg on standby in case of gyno (I can't get Arimidex where I'm at or I would use that)

    I'm 24, 195lbs, 74in, been lifting moderately for about a year. Does this cycle sound ok or does it need adjusted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1209 View Post
    Hi, I am a beginner at PH cycles. I was going to start a Sustanon 250/Winstrol cycle but decided to try a PH cycle first. After reading and researching a lot I've decided to try this cycle. Its a modified version of one from the top using the stack sold on ironmaglabs.com (they don't have 1-andro anymore). The doses are kinda funky but it makes the bottle pill counts work for 6 wks.

    Metha-drol Extreme weeks 1-4 (2 pills e/d (1 morning/1 evening))
    Ultra Male weeks 1-3 (1 pill e/d) weeks 4-6 (2 pills e/d)
    Androbolic Matrix weeks 1-6 (3 pills e/d (2 morning/1 evening))
    Advanced Cycle Support weeks 1-6 (3 pills e/d)

    PCT
    E Control weeks 3-6 (3 pills e/d)
    Clomid weeks 5-6 (1 50mg pill e/d)

    Nolvadex 20mg on standby in case of gyno (I can't get Arimidex where I'm at or I would use that)

    I'm 24, 195lbs, 74in, been lifting moderately for about a year. Does this cycle sound ok or does it need adjusted?
    pct clomid 100/50/50 your plan is weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe d View Post
    pct clomid 100/50/50 your plan is weak.
    ^Both of these. Put the ultra male stuff after the cycle so you feel better, and switch your clomid to this. You could get the nolva to have on hand, but you probably won't need it. The guys that talk about delayed onset gyno (like I had) is because they used OTC products for pct. SD doesn't aromatize either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1209 View Post
    Hi, I am a beginner at PH cycles. I was going to start a Sustanon 250/Winstrol cycle but decided to try a PH cycle first. After reading and researching a lot I've decided to try this cycle. Its a modified version of one from the top using the stack sold on ironmaglabs.com (they don't have 1-andro anymore). The doses are kinda funky but it makes the bottle pill counts work for 6 wks.

    Metha-drol Extreme weeks 1-4 (2 pills e/d (1 morning/1 evening))
    Ultra Male weeks 1-3 (1 pill e/d) weeks 4-6 (2 pills e/d)
    Androbolic Matrix weeks 1-6 (3 pills e/d (2 morning/1 evening))
    Advanced Cycle Support weeks 1-6 (3 pills e/d)

    PCT
    E Control weeks 3-6 (3 pills e/d)
    Clomid weeks 5-6 (1 50mg pill e/d)

    Nolvadex 20mg on standby in case of gyno (I can't get Arimidex where I'm at or I would use that)

    I'm 24, 195lbs, 74in, been lifting moderately for about a year. Does this cycle sound ok or does it need adjusted?
    is tbis your first cycle of any type of ped?
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    Thank you. Is that 100mg the first day and 50mg for the following days? Or is it 100mg e/d for first week and 50mg e/d for week 2 and 3?

    If the cycle is weak, what do you suggest I change? Yes this is my first cycle of anything more than just OTC supplements from GNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1209 View Post
    Thank you. Is that 100mg the first day and 50mg for the following days? Or is it 100mg e/d for first week and 50mg e/d for week 2 and 3?

    If the cycle is weak, what do you suggest I change? Yes this is my first cycle of anything more than just OTC supplements from GNC.
    the pct was what i was saying was weak. that suggestion was 100mg ed the first week then 50mg each week after. dont be fooled recovery from otc's is rough and ptc pct aids are pretty weak on the recovery part. they help you feel good but you need the real pct drugs to recover. many people have fallen victim to the all otc methods for pct and have screwed themselves up.

    im not real good with the otc cycles so i didnt comment there. i will say if your healthy id go for the dmz. thats your best otc gainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe d View Post
    the pct was what i was saying was weak. that suggestion was 100mg ed the first week then 50mg each week after. dont be fooled recovery from otc's is rough and ptc pct aids are pretty weak on the recovery part. they help you feel good but you need the real pct drugs to recover. many people have fallen victim to the all otc methods for pct and have screwed themselves up.

    im not real good with the otc cycles so i didnt comment there. i will say if your healthy id go for the dmz. thats your best otc gainer.
    you are correct good sir!my first cycle with prohormones was dmz,i andro and anabolic matrix.adcs and milk thistle.for pct i relyed on e-control and matrix.big fucking mistake!took me months to bounce back!i highly reccomend an ai and a proper pct.NOT otc!the real shit!i did gain some good strength and lean mass but at what cost?

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    Why do DMZ first? I was under the impression that Metha-Drol had DMZ and other things in it and thus was stronger. Is that incorrect? And since I can't get Arimidex and my current PCT is weak, which ones do you suggest?

    Please forgive my ignorance, I just don't want to screw my body up on my first ever cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1209 View Post
    Why do DMZ first? I was under the impression that Metha-Drol had DMZ and other things in it and thus was stronger. Is that incorrect? And since I can't get Arimidex and my current PCT is weak, which ones do you suggest?

    Please forgive my ignorance, I just don't want to screw my body up on my first ever cycle.
    have an ai and chlomid on had first.if not don't bother .not worth the hell you'll go through!

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