Igf-1 des

[barbellman]

who recommended that?....

jeeeeeeeez us!

[s2h]

Uh...the companies selling it. Why do you think you are the be all end all of information. You obviously aren't nearly as well versed in this as you claim to be, nor do you seem to want to learn. Open up your eyes.

Never did I say BW cant be used...but only what is recommended.

when one purchases igf..they need to contact the company they are buying it from...to see if it contains AA or not...some companies add AA into the unconstituted puck...and some dont....so NO..not all igf needs to be mixed with AA..so YOU obviously arent very versed in this..open your eyes...

[Gunners]

Get a room bitches

[s2h]

Get a room bitches

i got a king size suite..thanks...

[s2h]

this thread has gotten slightly derailed...part of that is on me..lets get back to the discussion...conrad hows the des working for you??

[Conrad]

this thread has gotten slightly derailed...part of that is on me..lets get back to the discussion...conrad hows the des working for you??

I throughly enjoy the IGF-DES as opposed to other peps I have used. The product is much more powerful then the lr3 version, IMO...some may argue but is it IMO

[s2h]

I throughly enjoy the IGF-DES as opposed to other peps I have used. The product is much more powerful then the lr3 version, IMO...some may argue but is it IMO

i seem to feel the effects of it later on in the day...much more then lr3..are you seeing that??

[NPCKnight]

when one purchases igf..they need to contact the company they are buying it from...to see if it contains AA or not...some companies add AA into the unconstituted puck...and some dont....so NO..not all igf needs to be mixed with AA..so YOU obviously arent very versed in this..open your eyes...

Did I say all IGF? No I am talking about DES which is what this damned thread is about! AA is recommended.

[s2h]

Did I say all IGF? No I am talking about DES which is what this damned thread is about! AA is recommended.

have a wonderfull evening...we are moving on in this thread...nice to speak with you....

[shorty9]

[NPCKnight]

have a wonderfull evening...we are moving on in this thread...nice to speak with you....

No thank you. I do not believe in spreading mis information...especially you as a forum leader. So lets get to the bottom of this and provide info for people instead of try to pass over things that are wrong.


(from ProM today)
Originally Posted by disgraziato
Now that thats settled....These peptides should be stored in solutions at appropriate PH levels; that is why IGF peptides are usually reconned w/ AA. Now, the PH of AA is a little too acidic to be pinning IM, it will irritate tissue at the very least, if not injure it. The idea behind drawing in BA after pulling IGF is to minimize this effect and raise the PH a bit just prior to pinning. Some do recon w/ straight BA, this will increase degradation rate, yes, but, for example if using IGF kits where each vial is 100mcg, then its fine; You'll be using that vial within a day or two and degradation isn't an issue then.
I think it best to pin Des about an hour PWO. Pwo is when the igf receptors in the muscle tissue trained will be primed and receptive. Waiting an hour will allow endo MGF to begin differentiation(the igf will shut this down). Then pinning your Des hoping it will find the receptors you want it to find and stimulate proliferation; Des, has zero binding affinity to all IGFBB, but is shorter lived than Lr3(a strong positive in my book).

[s2h]

No thank you. I do not believe in spreading mis information...especially you as a forum leader. So lets get to the bottom of this and provide info for people instead of try to pass over things that are wrong.


(from ProM today)
Originally Posted by disgraziato
Now that thats settled....These peptides should be stored in solutions at appropriate PH levels; that is why IGF peptides are usually reconned w/ AA. Now, the PH of AA is a little too acidic to be pinning IM, it will irritate tissue at the very least, if not injure it. The idea behind drawing in BA after pulling IGF is to minimize this effect and raise the PH a bit just prior to pinning. Some do recon w/ straight BA, this will increase degradation rate, yes, but, for example if using IGF kits where each vial is 100mcg, then its fine; You'll be using that vial within a day or two and degradation isn't an issue then.
I think it best to pin Des about an hour PWO. Pwo is when the igf receptors in the muscle tissue trained will be primed and receptive. Waiting an hour will allow endo MGF to begin differentiation(the igf will shut this down). Then pinning your Des hoping it will find the receptors you want it to find and stimulate proliferation; Des, has zero binding affinity to all IGFBB, but is shorter lived than Lr3(a strong positive in my book).

what does that prove dumbass.."i think it best to pin des"..he fucking thinks..no he doesnt think..just like you...and i am a mod not a fl..so heres the deal..you a trouble maker...and your a know it all..and you dont like it...look asshat..ive seen you argue your pissy little points on other threads..and i dont give two shits who you rep...take your "i'm guessing qoute" and hit the door...

[NPCKnight]

Everything with DES right now is trial and error. I havent seen you open up and explain how to use it nor would it sound any more diligent than this guy.A trouble maker? Hardly. Are you really sitting here calling me names repeatedly?
No one said you should give two shits who I rep...but you should realize you aren't nearly as well-versed as you think on DES, otherwise youd lay it out for us. Like I said, people are being their own guinea pigs with this stuff.

[s2h]

Everything with DES right now is trial and error. I havent seen you open up and explain how to use it nor would it sound any more diligent than this guy.A trouble maker? Hardly. Are you really sitting here calling me names repeatedly?
No one said you should give two shits who I rep...but you should realize you aren't nearly as well-versed as you think on DES, otherwise youd lay it out for us. Like I said, people are being their own guinea pigs with this stuff.

i gave clear examples in several posts of how i reacted to DES..i am also in contact with a research company that provides DES..they have a chemist on staff and i have spoken via e-mail to him about this product...the origanal post on this thread was to discuss peps use of DES and there experiences with it..as with alot of igf or any AS's for that matter..peps elect or find dosing and different protocals that work better for them...that was the idea of this thread..to make things clearer..i used this pwo via im right after training..i used several different dose levels from 20-60...i followed the pwo DES with 3 scoops of torrent..and a pwo meal 1 hour later w/ carbs in it...this is the same protocal i use with lr3...i found the lr3 to be a better compound..the maker of the DES i used already had AA in the unconstituted puck..hence there was no need for anything but BW...my exp with DES was not as favorable as lr3...with the named effects in earlier posts..i find wit this and all peds..that practical application is the real way to find things out..hope that clears any doubts up....

[barbellman]

oh lord what did I miss in here