Figure Advice needed =)

**sassy69** · 05-11-2011, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by figurewannabe

So last night i was reading a thread on RPN Havoc...

So since im almost 8 weeks out, I thought id give it a trial run now! before i get any closer. So i dropped my Var to 5mg a day for now, while taking Rpn Havoc 10mg
(1 pill) Just adding it in to help lean and see what it does, while im dieting i should be able to see results from it (Every other day 1 pill)
If i notice no weird sides, nothing oddly new happening, than ill go back to 10 var and keep the havoc the same. I dont want to drop the Var yet because my fats dropping perfectly, and i want to keep my strength up as much as possible, but ideally id want to try havoc alone with nothing else.. so i know EXACTLY what is going on, but
im pretty familiar with Var and my body, and what happens on it.
It doesnt seem smart for me to drop var yet. Plus i know my sides with Var..

I got havoc in case my supps didnt come in time, but everything came in one day..
But at the same time...im holding out on Oral winstrol i really dont want to take it the last 4-6 weeks out... I dont trust street injectable steroids, kinda weirds me out...
Some of the sides with Winstrol isnt worth it to walk on stage. im not a throphy hunter by any means or someone who needs to walk on stage to get attention..

I like the sport of figure in general and the process... I'm actually having fun..

I will be posting regularly about the Havoc since their isnt much info on it regarding women taking it.

As of May 10th was my 1st pill.

Whatcha doing for liver support?

**figurewannabe** · 05-11-2011, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by sassy69

Whatcha doing for liver support?

Milk Thistle and Acidophilius just in case.

Just something i noticed today while doing triceps, i looked down and seen 2 veins start to pop i never seen before..
their gone now. but i dont know if from the havoc or not, seems tooo soon..but just something new i seen.
and my weight is in the low 120's..

**s2h** · 05-11-2011, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by figurewannabe

Milk Thistle and Acidophilius just in case.

Just something i noticed today while doing triceps, i looked down and seen 2 veins start to pop i never seen before..
their gone now. but i dont know if from the havoc or not, seems tooo soon..but just something new i seen.
and my weight is in the low 120's..

milk thistle is ok..but liv-52 is a better supp for liver support...

**figurewannabe** · 05-12-2011, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by s2h

milk thistle is ok..but liv-52 is a better supp for liver support...

Where do you get that? ill look into it.
Im using vitamins shoppes milk thistle at the moment.
ill have to buy another one soon because my boyfriend is also taking it.

On another note, Havoc.
Last cycle i never got cramps on Var... I get cramps in my forearm from Clen, but thats it.. I remember once getting a really bad cramp in my inner theigh from taking winni, as i was getting in bed, which i just fell over. lol
Well this morning, while walking downstairs, the inner teardrop in my right leg got a shoooting pain, i wanted to drop to the floor but i had dishes in my hand from my boyfriend eating in the bedroom last night (gross i know) but OMG did it hurt.
i just stood there on my left leg for a minute...
As soon as i went downstairs i got a glass of water and put some taurine in it..
and started to rub it hard...
I knew it was a cramp and nothing else because it went away pretty quick..

I rubbed tiger balm on it for awhile..

I havnt been using taurine because i havnt had to many cramps lately, but i will now.
Maybe i was a bit dehydrated also from doing cardio this morning already..

But i think it is from havoc, var never gave me a cramp and clen never gave me cramps in my legs like that..

**sassy69** · 05-12-2011, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by figurewannabe

Where do you get that? ill look into it.
Im using vitamins shoppes milk thistle at the moment.
ill have to buy another one soon because my boyfriend is also taking it.

On another note, Havoc.
Last cycle i never got cramps on Var... I get cramps in my forearm from Clen, but thats it.. I remember once getting a really bad cramp in my inner theigh from taking winni, as i was getting in bed, which i just fell over. lol
Well this morning, while walking downstairs, the inner teardrop in my right leg got a shoooting pain, i wanted to drop to the floor but i had dishes in my hand from my boyfriend eating in the bedroom last night (gross i know) but OMG did it hurt.
i just stood there on my left leg for a minute...
As soon as i went downstairs i got a glass of water and put some taurine in it..
and started to rub it hard...
I knew it was a cramp and nothing else because it went away pretty quick..

I rubbed tiger balm on it for awhile..

I havnt been using taurine because i havnt had to many cramps lately, but i will now.
Maybe i was a bit dehydrated also from doing cardio this morning already..

But i think it is from havoc, var never gave me a cramp and clen never gave me cramps in my legs like that..

I'd just continue using the taurine - it is well documented that clen inhibits taurine in the body and can produce those cramps. Further winstrol, being more androgenic, and potentially sort of an light estrogen suppression, again - great chance to experience cramping impact. Havoc (I'm guessing - I haven't reminded myself of the ingredients) , if it has any similar androgenic / estrogen suppression, expect that again.

**figurewannabe** · 05-12-2011, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by sassy69

I'd just continue using the taurine - it is well documented that clen inhibits taurine in the body and can produce those cramps. Further winstrol, being more androgenic, and potentially sort of an light estrogen suppression, again - great chance to experience cramping impact. Havoc (I'm guessing - I haven't reminded myself of the ingredients) , if it has any similar androgenic / estrogen suppression, expect that again.

Yea ill stick with the taurine everyday in the morning with my water.
I got it in a powder i ordered online.
That cramp was bad! lol never had one like that before.
feels normal now.. my ankle was giving me some issue too, but i put tiger balm on that while i had it out...i thought it was a kink from cardio but maybe not. cause it went away after i put it on...

Havoc from what i read isnt suppose to be androgenic, but more an anti estro..
just using it too see if i will lean me out, since im dieting i should notice any changes going on.

**figurewannabe** · 05-17-2011, 02:35 PM

Just an update, i havnt forgot...

10 var is back, no weird sides nothing new. so im back to 10.
As far as Havoc, i believe my chest has shrunk a bit more, but i think im done with the breast atrophy for now.. i dont think they can get any smaller than what they are.
Stomachs a lot leaner even though my stomach always leans out first.
i have striations in my shoulders, and my back is a lot leaner.
Legs are slowly but their getting leaner.
and Im noticng all this after a refeed on Saturday and holding 5 lbs of water.

Havoc EOD is working great so far.
Im up to 40 clen a day in the morning. after this week i may back off for a week.
take some bendryl and restart again later.

i feel great

**sassy69** · 05-17-2011, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by figurewannabe

Just an update, i havnt forgot...

10 var is back, no weird sides nothing new. so im back to 10.
As far as Havoc, i believe my chest has shrunk a bit more, but i think im done with the breast atrophy for now.. i dont think they can get any smaller than what they are.
Stomachs a lot leaner even though my stomach always leans out first.
i have striations in my shoulders, and my back is a lot leaner.
Legs are slowly but their getting leaner.
and Im noticng all this after a refeed on Saturday and holding 5 lbs of water.

Havoc EOD is working great so far.
Im up to 40 clen a day in the morning. after this week i may back off for a week.
take some bendryl and restart again later.

i feel great

Unless you're using Benedryl just to sleep, it has nothing to do w/ clearing receptors for extended clen use. Use ketotifen instead.

Sounds like you're moving forward!

**figurewannabe** · 05-17-2011, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by sassy69

Unless you're using Benedryl just to sleep, it has nothing to do w/ clearing receptors for extended clen use. Use ketotifen instead.

Sounds like you're moving forward!

Really?

can you get ketotifen at the store? or

**figurewannabe** · 05-19-2011, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by figurewannabe

Really?

can you get ketotifen at the store? or

I researched ketotifen and i guess i cant get it at the drugstore LoL

I will be taking a break from Clen starting Sunday anyways, and ill take something else for the week to help stimulant wise.

Havoc, Yesterday forearms where pumped to the max, very vascular! Pumped so much it felt like my veins where going to tear out of my skin and the muscle off the bone.
In a good way.

**sassy69** · 05-19-2011, 12:35 PM

Nope, its not an OTC thingy. But wanted to clarify that Benedryl is not going to do anything for receptors. It will only do what it does normally, like help you sleep.