Summer Cycle

[MuscleChick69]

New here to the "fem chem" section, my old board didn't have a section like this. So, I'm very pleased to see an open place to talk about this type of thing.

First of all I am somewhat new to the chem game and really looking to plunge right into it, that's right I made a pun.

My boyfriend was telling me to use 40 mcgs of oral tren per day, he's a NPC competitor and really knows his stuff. He also said to take 50 mcgs of t3, too. Listen, I'm not wanting to turn into a man or anything like that, so is this safe?

Cha-Cha, ladies.

[sassy69]

New here to the "fem chem" section, my old board didn't have a section like this. So, I'm very pleased to see an open place to talk about this type of thing.

First of all I am somewhat new to the chem game and really looking to plunge right into it, that's right I made a pun.

My boyfriend was telling me to use 40 mcgs of oral tren per day, he's a NPC competitor and really knows his stuff. He also said to take 50 mcgs of t3, too. Listen, I'm not wanting to turn into a man or anything like that, so is this safe?

Cha-Cha, ladies.

Welcome to the ladies' chem forum!

First question - what is it you are trying to accomplish, what are your current stats and what is your diet / training background?

Tren is pretty aggressive if you have zero background in steroids and oral tren, from what I've read, is extremely toxic on the liver. Tren generally has a tendency to promote aggression (I've personally seen a lot of guys turn into pricks on it).

Very honestly I'd tell you to stick w/ Anavar if anything at all. And even that, spend a lot of time researching first.

[Suzanne]

New here to the "fem chem" section, my old board didn't have a section like this. So, I'm very pleased to see an open place to talk about this type of thing.

First of all I am somewhat new to the chem game and really looking to plunge right into it, that's right I made a pun.

My boyfriend was telling me to use 40 mcgs of oral tren per day, he's a NPC competitor and really knows his stuff. He also said to take 50 mcgs of t3, too. Listen, I'm not wanting to turn into a man or anything like that, so is this safe?

Cha-Cha, ladies.

IMHO this shows he does not know his stuff especially when it comes to females

"New to chem" and "tren" should never be in the same sentence

How many years have you been training?

[The gift]

Why the hell do you want your girlfriend on tren? There a number off other good compounds out there that women can take. With far fewer sides.

[sassy69]

IMHO this shows he does not know his stuff especially when it comes to females

"New to chem" and "tren" should never be in the same sentence

How many years have you been training?

Yea... the nice way of saying this. No offense to the bf - I'm sure he "knows his stuff" - but just to let you know, over the last decade I've met & seen more pros, top national competitors and coaches give amazingly naive cycle advice to women.

Generaly guidance - on everything except anavar, expect all the sides you ever read about from steroids. And anavar, still expect some of the basic ones, and still get your blood work done. Even anavar is potentially liver-toxic, jacks up your cholesterol, can bump up blood pressure, etc.

Really important to educate yourself - please don't take any of our comments as attacks but simply a starting place when you step into the world of steroids as a female. I can't imagine any bf/hubby/coach/ guy friend from the gym would give advice that would "hurt you". However, they most likely are drawing from their own experience w/ AAS, which is borderline irrelevant for women's hormone profiles, and also are more likely to be aggressive w/ cycles since they've been doing it themselves and at the end of the day, whatever happens to you as a result of the cycle advice is what happens to YOU, not them. YOUR body, YOUR results, YOUR sides. YOU need to be responsible for and accept the sides as well as the results of whatever cycle advice you follow thru with. "The dark side" is ALWAYS your own personal experiment where you are the petri dish.

I'd highly recommend you at least start the discussion here of goals, diet & training. These need to be already in place & functioning before you'd even bother thinking about AAS, as any AAS is only a supplement to this already existing protocol. If your diet is sloppy or your training is half-ass, then, IMO you're disrespecting your body by putting that much stress on it and you're not going to get the results you envisioned, but will still get the sides / health impact.

[sassy69]

For ref: http://www.steroid.com/Methyltrienolone.php

Methyltrienolone

Methyltrienolone (MT) is a very potent, reasonably toxic, non-aromatizing steroid. Ok. Lets go over those three points again. First of all, MT is potent. It binds so strongly to the AR (androgen receptor) that it is often used in studies on other androgens to measure how strongly they bind. In other words, this stuff binds onto the AR receptor so strongly that it is pretty much the benchmark for that quality. If youve read my profile on Trenbolone Acetate (TA), youll note that I said TA is the most potent injectable weapon in our arsenal with regards to ability to bind to the Androgen receptor. Thats still true, because this particular compound is not in our arsenal, and its not injectable... its simply the oral version of TA (i.e. it is Trenbolone which has undergone modification to become orally active, via the addition of a 17-alph-methyl group). So why is it important that this stuff binds so tightly to the AR? Well, Androgen Receptors are found in both fat cells as well as muscle cells(8); they act on the AR in muscle cells to promote growth, and in the fat cells to affect fat burning.(9)(6) The stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose (fat)tissue(9)(5). Unfortunately, that strong binding doesnt also automatically mean that it will elicit the strongest possible anabolic response, nor that the weakest bind will elicit a weak anabolic response. Anadrol (oxymetholone) has the weakest bind to the AR possible (too low to be measured), and it produces a profound anabolic response, for example. Dianabol is simarly low, and produces a very good anabolic response. ARs are found in both muscle tissue as well as adipose tissue. When a muscles AR is stimulated, it can induce hypertrophy. When an adipose tissues AR is stimulated, through various related mechanisms, fat is lost. This is a gross oversimplification. Whatever. All we need to know is that when you have a steroid that binds to the AR, it builds muscle and burns fat. And a steroid that binds very tightly to the AR will stimulate a lot of muscle synthesis and burn a lot of fat. A good example of this is Trenbolone. And since I mentioned Trenbolone, its worth further mentioning that MT is basically a 17aa (oral) version of (injectable) Trenbolone. AR binding and AR stimulation is not the only mechanism which stimulates anabolism, however. It is important to note that dbol has a very low AR binding ability and A50 has an AR binding ability which is too low to even measure! Both are very potent oral steroids, though. So while its important, AR binding/stimulation is not the end all & be all of anabolism, although it is an important part. Dont be fooled by the anabolic/androgenic ratio of this (or any steroid), either. The anabolic/androgenic ratio of MT would suggest that it produces 120(+)x the anabolic and 60(+)x androgenic effect of Testosterone (which has a score of 100 and 100 respectively). If one were able to get a bottle of this stuff, I believe it would be best used as part of a cutting cycle, stacked with some injectables (testosterone, etc... ), but certainly no other orals. Its just too toxic. Negma (the French company who brought Parabolan to the market, and then discontinued it) never pushed MT to gain approval as a commercially released item, since their original studies showed it to be highly toxic. Methyltrienolone is, of course, a 19Nor compound (as is Trenbolone)...Thus, it will effect your sexual drive and performance in a similar way to both Tren and Nandrolone, meaning that Temporary Impotence and/or a lack of libido is highly possible (aka Tren-Dick or Deca Dick)(10). Another problem with MT is that it is a progestin, and binds shockingly well to the progesterone receptor also (PgR) (3). As we know, progestins amplify estrogenic effects of Aromatizing drugs. Although MT doesnt aromatize, you will still need to worry about its ability to cause side-effects by amplifying the estrogenic issues caused by the other compounds you may be taking. How toxic is this stuff? Well, it was never commercially marketed for use in humans, and has been relegated to Steroid-Purgatory, to be used only in studies. Id probably rate it on around the same level as taking very high doses of halotestin or methyltestosterone. And Id probably recommend that people keep doses of this product very low, much lower than recommended doses typical of the other 2 compounds I just mentioned (i.e. 500-750mcgs/day, for not much longer than 3-4 weeks). I have had the good fortune to discuss this product with the owner of an Underground Lab, and he had given out several samples of this stuff to athletes he knew, and they all kept records and got regular bloodwork done. People who were in the 2mg/day range developed highly elevated liver enzymes and Jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin). They all recovered, and through trial and error, a 500-750mcg dose was found to be (*relatively) safe, and (*roughly) as effective as 150-225mgs of Trenbolone Acetate. For women, a possible side effect of MT is Virilization (development of male sexual characteristics), which is profound with this stuff (11), so it is entirely off limits for women to use. You may want to take milk thistle with this compound, should you decide to try it, as well as (320mgs/day), ALA (500mgs per meal) and try some Pygeum Africanum (Permixon, the liposterolic extract of Serenoa)... stuff will all protect either your prostate or liver... in one study, it inhibited competitively the binding of Methyltrienolone to the cytosolic receptor of the rat prostate. Youll still need to get blood work done, avoid other orals (this includes drinking, or anything else which could tax your liver), and monitor your health closely. This isnt a drug for novices, clearly, and is probably only useful for pre-contest bodybuilders. Ive only seen MT available from one Underground Lab, and it came in a 50ml bottle, which was 1mg/ml, and was priced at $100. This translates to roughly 100 doses, at a reasonable cost of fifty-cents per dose. And since you would never want to run this particular drug for longer than 3-4 weeks at a time (maybe it would have use in the last few weeks before a bodybuilding competition, but not much else), youll get to use one bottle in 4 different cycles. That makes it no less dangerous, just reasonably cheap. Methyltrienolone Profile

[17beta-Hydroxy-17-methylestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one]
Molecular Weight: 284.3974
Formula: C19H24O2
Melting Point: N/A
Manufacturer: Negma (never released), Underground Labs
Effective dose: 500-750mcgs/day
Active Life: 4-6hours
Detection Time: Unknown (never tested in humans)
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (estimated):12,000+/6,000+
References:

1. Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.
2. Bonne C, Raynaud JP. Methyltrienolone, a specific ligand for cellular androgen receptors. Steroids 1975 Aug;26(2):227-32
3. Dube JY, Tremblay RR, Chapdelaine P. Binding of methyltrienolone to various androgen-dependent and androgen-responsive tissues in four animal species. Horm Res 1976;7(6):333-40
4. Tremblay RR, Dube JY, Ho-Kim MA, Lesage R. Determination of rat muscles androgen-receptor complexes with methyltrienolone. Steroids 1977 Feb;29(2):185-95 5. APMIS. 2000 Dec;108(12):838-46.
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10. Baum MJ, Kingsbury PA, Erskine MS. Failure of the synthetic androgen 17 beta-hydroxy-17 alpha-methyl-estra-4,9,11-triene-3-one (methyltrienolone, R1881) to duplicate the activational effect of testosterone on mating in castrated male rats. J Endocrinol 1987 Apr;113(1):15-20
11. Biochem Pharmacol. 1984 Apr 15;33(8):1235-41.Changes in the activities of microsomal enzymes involved in hepatic steroid metabolism in the rat after administration of androgenic, estrogenic, progestational, anabolic and catatoxic steroids.

Read more: http://www.steroid.com/Methyltrienol...#ixzz1LrsU5xHX

[BigJD69]

^ Hey Sassy do a lot of female competitors use Primo as well?

[s2h]

your BF doesnt know what he is talking about...unless he wants you more man like..take 10mg of anavar ed for 6 weeks..split the dose 1/2 in the am 1/2 in the pm...this is the best way to start into steriods as a female...

[sassy69]

^ Hey Sassy do a lot of female competitors use Primo as well?

Var, Winny, Primo are the go-to's for competitors.

But keeping things in perspective w/ current state of competition - the goal is softer and smaller, not bigger & harder, so there's less & less argument for anyone other than an FBB to be messing w/ these.

[DUBAI]

sassy69
Can the program I put weight increase Muscle pure

[sassy69]

sassy69
Can the program I put weight increase Muscle pure

Sorry don't understand the question?

You mean can you increase muscle mass (as opposed to bodyfat)?

If this is what you mean - whatever AAS will promote lean muscle mass - your diet & training (fuel burning) will determine the quality and amount of muscle vs fat you gain.

[machine]

Hate to disagree but the oral version of Tren, methyltrienolone, at such a small dosage of 40 mcgs should be fine if you're experienced. but those two alone are certainly strange.

Are you sure he suggested 40mcgs? That's less than 1/5th's a standard tablet.

(Never mind read my second post lol!!!)

[neofarq]

your BF doesnt know what he is talking about...unless he wants you more man like..take 10mg of anavar ed for 6 weeks..split the dose 1/2 in the am 1/2 in the pm...this is the best way to start into steriods as a female...

Nuff said!

[machine]

Ha I just reread what you wrote, I just thought you were a bber and really didnt read the whole message...

I'm willing to bet he said 40mcgs of CLEN and T-3...not tren and t-3

the clen and t-3 will certainly help lean you out. I'd still suggest building up to any does, start with 20mcgs...then also remember to taper off...dont just stop.

[sassy69]

Ha I just reread what you wrote, I just thought you were a bber and really didnt read the whole message...

I'm willing to bet he said 40mcgs of CLEN and T-3...not tren and t-3

the clen and t-3 will certainly help lean you out. I'd still suggest building up to any does, start with 20mcgs...then also remember to taper off...dont just stop.

I have this nagging suspicious she is referring to oral tren aka Methyltrienolone (do people say "oral clen"?)

OP - please correct us if we're going down the wrong path! LOL!

I think a typical dose of oral tren for guys is on the order of 500 mcg. But again, we don't know the goal and this sounds like absolute and compete newb situation.