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  • CJC1295 N/DAC

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    Default CJC1295 N/DAC or CJC1293 MOD?

    I like 1295 W/DAC because it's a once a week administration and maybe because Im older it benefits me more. Seems like I cant get a grasp on what everyone prefers. I had the higher ups order 1295 no dac for the members here but isnt 1293 just as good?

    Help me out with some statistics. What do you prefer and why?

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    Gary, what time of the day do you administer cjc 1295 w DAC? morning, post-workout, or before bed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydroweighed4.0%bf View Post
    Gary, what time of the day do you administer cjc 1295 w DAC? morning, post-workout, or before bed?
    I would guess morning since it has a super long half life time.

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    I have a few bottles ordered by accident instead of the no DAC and I'm considering trying the once a week administration method. Also, wondering if he is injecting 100 mcg or less?
    Last edited by hydroweighed4.0%bf; 06-10-2011 at 01:18 AM.

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    I do it in the morning once a week. Usually 500mcg's or more. It certainly works for me. Im surprised everyone is so favored to the shorter ones. Everyone is so scared of that HGH bleed and think the body responds better to the HGH spikes. Maybe it is better but honestly Im to lazy to do every day injects now. That's what 1295 was invented for. To get around every day administration.
    Quote Originally Posted by hydroweighed4.0%bf View Post
    I have a few bottles ordered by accident instead of the no DAC and I'm considering trying the once a week administration method. Also, wondering if he is injecting 100 mcg or less?

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    cmon Rx I need better feed back than this lol

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    CJC-1295 W/O DAC (ie. Mod GRF 1-29 or tetra-substituted GRF 1-29) is the preferred GHRH due to its moderate half life (approx. 30 minutes) for use in GH pulsing. GH pulsing is more effective for fat burning/muscle building than GH bleed. CJC-1295 with DAC has the longest half life, and causes constant GH bleed, which is better for healing injuries. CJC-1293 (ie. GRF 1-29) is the shortest half life of the GHRHs, at no more than 5 minutes. This causes a GH pulse, but not as strong or long as Mod GRF 1-29.

    If one is looking for pulsing, Mod GRF is the best bet, and CJC-1293 is the second best. If you are looking for injury healing, CJC-1295 W/ DAC is the better option. Its all in what result you want to achieve!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GaryGranaas View Post
    cmon Rx I need better feed back than this lol
    Wow someone else is up late lol. Hope that helps

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    Nice! thank you! good input!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    CJC-1295 W/O DAC (ie. Mod GRF 1-29 or tetra-substituted GRF 1-29) is the preferred GHRH due to its moderate half life (approx. 30 minutes) for use in GH pulsing. GH pulsing is more effective for fat burning/muscle building than GH bleed. CJC-1295 with DAC has the longest half life, and causes constant GH bleed, which is better for healing injuries. CJC-1293 (ie. GRF 1-29) is the shortest half life of the GHRHs, at no more than 5 minutes. This causes a GH pulse, but not as strong or long as Mod GRF 1-29.

    If one is looking for pulsing, Mod GRF is the best bet, and CJC-1293 is the second best. If you are looking for injury healing, CJC-1295 W/ DAC is the better option. Its all in what result you want to achieve!


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    cjc1295 w/o dac is the best...GH spikes are better than a bleed, empirical evidence shows it. Better, faster results occur due to GH spikes...
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    You are absolutely correct sir. Before the 1293 was the 1288 which even with DAC it was a failure then they switched the 2nd and 3rd amino acid which gave it a better half life and they improved it with the DAC tail which was connected to the amino acids with lysine. Now they are 4 amino acids that are switched in the 1295 which gave it an incredible improvement in its half life but with the DAC the half life became too long and cause GH bleeding.

    Shorter GH spike is way better for fat loss! In fact is so much better to inject more times a day with lower dosage than 3 bigger dosages. In other words its better to do 6 50mcg shots of 1295 without DAC than 3 100mcg.

    IMHO just like 1288 the 1293 is a waste also. So it's up to 1295 with/without DAC. Now that comes to what you want to actually do...fat loss or joint healing.



    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    CJC-1295 W/O DAC (ie. Mod GRF 1-29 or tetra-substituted GRF 1-29) is the preferred GHRH due to its moderate half life (approx. 30 minutes) for use in GH pulsing. GH pulsing is more effective for fat burning/muscle building than GH bleed. CJC-1295 with DAC has the longest half life, and causes constant GH bleed, which is better for healing injuries. CJC-1293 (ie. GRF 1-29) is the shortest half life of the GHRHs, at no more than 5 minutes. This causes a GH pulse, but not as strong or long as Mod GRF 1-29.

    If one is looking for pulsing, Mod GRF is the best bet, and CJC-1293 is the second best. If you are looking for injury healing, CJC-1295 W/ DAC is the better option. Its all in what result you want to achieve!


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    Dang D is on a roll!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication View Post
    You are absolutely correct sir. Before the 1293 was the 1288 which even with DAC it was a failure then they switched the 2nd and 3rd amino acid which gave it a better half life and they improved it with the DAC tail which was connected to the amino acids with lysine. Now they are 4 amino acids that are switched in the 1295 which gave it an incredible improvement in its half life but with the DAC the half life became too long and cause GH bleeding.

    Shorter GH spike is way better for fat loss! In fact is so much better to inject more times a day with lower dosage than 3 bigger dosages. In other words its better to do 6 50mcg shots of 1295 without DAC than 3 100mcg.

    IMHO just like 1288 the 1293 is a waste also. So it's up to 1295 with/without DAC. Now that comes to what you want to actually do...fat loss or joint healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication View Post
    You are absolutely correct sir. Before the 1293 was the 1288 which even with DAC it was a failure then they switched the 2nd and 3rd amino acid which gave it a better half life and they improved it with the DAC tail which was connected to the amino acids with lysine. Now they are 4 amino acids that are switched in the 1295 which gave it an incredible improvement in its half life but with the DAC the half life became too long and cause GH bleeding.

    Shorter GH spike is way better for fat loss! In fact is so much better to inject more times a day with lower dosage than 3 bigger dosages. In other words its better to do 6 50mcg shots of 1295 without DAC than 3 100mcg.

    IMHO just like 1288 the 1293 is a waste also. So it's up to 1295 with/without DAC. Now that comes to what you want to actually do...fat loss or joint healing.



    so u think cjc 1293 is a waste...have u truely experimented with both cjc1295 w/o dac and cjc 1293 and compared them...or are you just basing it off everthing u see on forums...i think not...if so you would have realized something...
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    cjc1293 and Mod GRF 1-29 are the same thing...
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    Post by Bobaslaw from Dat's forum

    RED=Amino Substitutions
    BLUE=Lys/MPA Complex (DAC)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleChamp View Post
    so u think cjc 1293 is a waste...have u truely experimented with both cjc1295 w/o dac and cjc 1293 and compared them...or are you just basing it off everthing u see on forums...i think not...if so you would have realized something...
    No I have not experimented with it...yet. But why go with the 1293 while the 1295 is the same price? Also Bob posted that graph that I have posted above to help me understand it when I was studying GHRH. Unless I have misunderstood the graph the 1293 only has one amino acid swap out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication View Post
    No I have not experimented with it...yet. But why go with the 1293 while the 1295 is the same price? Also Bob posted that graph that I have posted above to help me understand it when I was studying GHRH. Unless I have misunderstood the graph the 1293 only has one amino acid swap out.
    1293 has 4 amino acid substitutions...just bc it was on Dat doesnt mean its true, just maybe more popular...again the point was that 1293 and cjc1295 w/o dac are the same thing, both are mod grf 1-29...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleChamp View Post
    1293 has 4 amino acid substitutions...just bc it was on Dat doesnt mean its true, just maybe more popular...again the point was that 1293 and cjc1295 w/o dac are the same thing, both are mod grf 1-29...
    Then if both 1293 and 1295 are tetrasubstituted then what is the difference between them?

    I'm just trying to figure this out Thanks for the help bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication View Post
    Then if both 1293 and 1295 are tetrasubstituted then what is the difference between them?

    I'm just trying to figure this out Thanks for the help bud
    there is no difference lol...the problem is that some companies sell it as one of 3 names, cjc1293, mod grf 1-29, or cjc1295 w/o dac...all three products are the same thing...only problem is that some ppl only know it as one of the names and not all three, so companies will carry 2 or all 3 so that they dont miss customers, but then it causes confusion too lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleChamp View Post
    there is no difference lol...the problem is that some companies sell it as one of 3 names, cjc1293, mod grf 1-29, or cjc1295 w/o dac...all three products are the same thing...only problem is that some ppl only know it as one of the names and not all three, so companies will carry 2 or all 3 so that they dont miss customers, but then it causes confusion too lol
    Some companys sell the 1293 and 1295 at different prices (the 1293 being more expensive). Why is that if they are the same?
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    I emailed Bryan about which is the mod grf (1-29) on the precision site, it's confusing who calls what, what...

    But fuck me, the deal they have on the stack where you get 2 G6 and 2 cjc 1293 vials for less than $20 is stunning! I'm hoping the cjc 1293 is what I call mod grf (1-29)I wonder if you still get the 20% discount code, yes I sound cheap saying that, but if so, time to stock up!
    Last edited by ritch; 10-18-2011 at 02:00 PM.

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    1293 isn't supposed to be mod grf...but it works exactly the same to me. I already have too much lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    1293 isn't supposed to be mod grf...but it works exactly the same to me. I already have too much lol
    so is it a pulse like fashion peptide or long acting one? So is the cjc 1295 no dac mod grf 1-29 on the precision page?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritch View Post
    so is it a pulse like fashion peptide or long acting one? So is the cjc 1295 no dac mod grf 1-29 on the precision page?
    It's the same as mod grf, just a shorter active life. I honestly feel it works better. Yes, the 1295 no dac is supposed to be mod grf

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    It's the same as mod grf, just a shorter active life. I honestly feel it works better. Yes, the 1295 no dac is supposed to be mod grf
    thanks.

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    check your PM's...

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    Testing on Rattus norvegicus Mod GRF (1-29) seems to show best results in my experience, but we haven't really don't much work in our lab with peptides yet(some, before I started), although being a curious person I like to test at home and have noticed the Mod GRF (1-29) being great, especially when Ipamorelin is administered with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritch View Post
    I emailed Bryan about which is the mod grf (1-29) on the precision site, it's confusing who calls what, what...
    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Hildebrand View Post
    check your PM's...
    What was the consensus on this?

    Thanks for any light you can shed.

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    I was told w/o dac for healing purposes and it worked!

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    out of both of them i seem to like CJC1295 W/DAC the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    CJC-1295 W/O DAC (ie. Mod GRF 1-29 or tetra-substituted GRF 1-29) is the preferred GHRH due to its moderate half life (approx. 30 minutes) for use in GH pulsing. GH pulsing is more effective for fat burning/muscle building than GH bleed. CJC-1295 with DAC has the longest half life, and causes constant GH bleed, which is better for healing injuries. CJC-1293 (ie. GRF 1-29) is the shortest half life of the GHRHs, at no more than 5 minutes. This causes a GH pulse, but not as strong or long as Mod GRF 1-29.

    If one is looking for pulsing, Mod GRF is the best bet, and CJC-1293 is the second best. If you are looking for injury healing, CJC-1295 W/ DAC is the better option. Its all in what result you want to achieve!


    I agree 100% but what do i know

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    Quote Originally Posted by HumanGrade View Post
    out of both of them i seem to like CJC1295 W/DAC the best.
    CJC 1295 dac mimics the gh release of a female rats.. 1293 is the release you are looking for if you are a male rat

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    I should ask if test subjects find levels more beneficial from the ghrp/cjc adminstration together or apart. The combination seems to be common protocol.

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