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    Quote Originally Posted by data View Post
    Take 3 years and workout hard, never miss a workout, a meal, or a nap. Hire a professional photographer to take 100s of pics of you by yourself and anyone can look great. But a pic standing beside your average gym buff with a tshirt on and you'll look slightly above average.
    and then u woke up

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    Quote Originally Posted by x100696 View Post
    Disagree
    So you would say that taking PHs would still make you a natural? Cause they are things out there like superdrol, DMZ, and Phera Plex....yeah noway those should be count as natural.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    and by pro-hormones......he means D-bol.


    j/k...dont know anything about this guy, just felt like poking fun......his physique doesnt strike me as something impossible to obtain naturally tho....
    hahahahah...that made me lol.


    Is he peptide free also? Cause peptides can do a lot of stuff too...just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication View Post
    So you would say that taking PHs would still make you a natural? Cause they are things out there like superdrol, DMZ, and Phera Plex....yeah noway those should be count as natural.



    hahahahah...that made me lol.


    Is he peptide free also? Cause peptides can do a lot of stuff too...just saying
    If you use pro-hormones regularly you aren't natural. If you used a bottle or two of something say 5+ years ago, I would consider you natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake DeMichele View Post
    If you use pro-hormones regularly you aren't natural. If you used a bottle or two of something say 5+ years ago, I would consider you natural.
    I would say it matters to the stack. Like epi...eh, hdrol...ehhh, SD and DMZ stacked with Phera...well that's just killing your liver and that's not natural anymore.

    Would using peptides make you a natural?

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    why do you guys care one way or the other?

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    He build a phenomenal physique long before pro-hormones were even on the market. Whether he's technically "natural" imo is irrelevant. He built a championship physique that surpassed what most believe is possible with out and drugs or pro-hormones. (Again him and Lacour didn't take pro-hormones until later in they're careers).
    "The worst thing happened to you that could happen to any fighter. You got civilized." Mickey to Rocky in Rocky III.

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    I believe he's natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication View Post
    I would say it matters to the stack. Like epi...eh, hdrol...ehhh, SD and DMZ stacked with Phera...well that's just killing your liver and that's not natural anymore.

    Would using peptides make you a natural?
    Again it all depends if they are using currently or have used. If you are using pro-hormones or peptides your not natural while you are on them. If you stop taking them and 5-10 years later you want to say your "natural" I don't see a problem with that. As long as you only did a few cycles, nothing crazy obviously.

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    Man Locketts Quad imbalance is terrible in that photo!

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    He's probably natty.
    Last edited by Sandpig; 07-04-2011 at 08:49 AM.
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    Of course hes not.
    Naturally you can be big without having low bodyfat (bb competition levels ) or ripped but not having decent size.
    Having both even with awesome genetics is allmost a questionable .
    Not taking in account the things above, the reason im saying hes not natural is becouse of the muscle look.
    You can not get that density and hardness. Having that low digits naturally makes the body have a flat look no matter how many carbs.
    Last edited by Sieve; 07-04-2011 at 09:27 AM.

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    O damn i thought this thread was gonna be on page 3 when i woke up this morning, seems like everyone thinks something differently.
    I really believe him for some reason, when he talks in that video addressing everything he makes a good point that when he first competed at 19 years old he was a light heavy, and in his last show after 10+ years of hard training he still competed as a light heavy, didn't put on that much weight scale wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianDuque View Post
    Amen brother! Because taking Pinnacle Poppers (for example) is akin to 5,000mg of test, deca, tren, winny, insulin, site injecting synthol, and shooting up growth.

    I hate to hurt your gpa, as I know you're here at Brosef State on a full paid scholarship, but your grade for this thread is a C (I'll let you pass, but really this was an Epic Fail).
    Well no freaking joke prohormones aren't the same as taking 5,000mg test, deca, tren, winny, insulin, synthol, and growth. I'm not a complete moron. There are some pretty stout pro hormones out there. I don't know what was available back in the early 2000's but saying someone is natty when they've used prohormones is silly if you ask me.

    From Wikipedia: A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.

    Not sure how that's natty, but you can believe whatever you want.

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    From risktaker's link (2nd post in the thread):

    http://jeffwillet.blogspot.com/2009/...ne-debate.html

    "I didn’t touch a pro hormone until after 1999. By that time I had already won multiple state titles, took 5th at the NPC Teen Nationals (behind the likes of some very big names currently competing at the highest level of the IFBB) AND won the 1999 Team Universe Light Hvy Weight division."

    Shit, in 1999, I think we're talking about androstenedione, androdiol and maybe the nor's of those?... (Not much else...)

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    ^^^My point exactly. Either way they didn't better his career
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