Q&A with Scoobysnacks

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-06-2009, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Myth

What are your favorite veggie choices bro?

Right now Im killing the broccoli. I do like asparagus from time to time, but Im a big broccoli guy. I also will use spinach too. I think broc, spinach and asparagus are tops, but thats just me.

I like the fact broc has endols which are supposed to help the body rid itself of estrogen. Having more of my fat storage in the legs and glutes Ill take all the extra help I can get.

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-06-2009, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by hilly

When dieting do you have people weigh their veg/salad or do you allow them to eat as much as you want. i am dieting at the moment and tend to stick to broccoli and green beans with salad thrown in every now and again. Im just curiouse if their s alimit you would set or just as much as the person wants to fill them up.

I personally set no limit on greens, I just dont get it. They dont effect insulin and require as much energy to burn as they provide. Now they do add some protein and normally Im a big proponent of accounting for all macros, but I let this one slide, I guess all rules are meant to be broken.

I say eat up on the veggies. I find my women competitors are better about this, and there are times where they will actually start losing quicker deep into the prep. Ill ask what changed, they say Im eating veggies and tons of them now. Hmmmmmmm!

Ss

**Northman** · 04-06-2009, 08:49 AM

Scooby, if one works with you and he is assisted you must know this correct?

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-06-2009, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Northman

Scooby, if one works with you and he is assisted you must know this correct?

Yes I should.

**GirlyMuscle** · 04-06-2009, 11:15 AM

Scoob...

I apologize ahead of time if you've already covered this elsewhere.

I'm currently bulking (for real, not just eating like a piggie). I will start my diet on May 30the and I'm doing Dave's keto thing. For me the first three days after a cheat meal (even moderate) are hell with cravings and mood swings, I'm sure due to getting back into ketosis. I'm trying to figure out how to get into ketosis faster. Exercise? Chromium/vanadyl? (I know you have a supp for this) Can you tell me the dosage for a woman? any other suggestions?

**-Z-** · 04-06-2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle

Scoob...

I apologize ahead of time if you've already covered this elsewhere.

I'm currently bulking (for real, not just eating like a piggie). I will start my diet on May 30the and I'm doing Dave's keto thing. For me the first three days after a cheat meal (even moderate) are hell with cravings and mood swings, I'm sure due to getting back into ketosis. I'm trying to figure out how to get into ketosis faster. Exercise? Chromium/vanadyl? (I know you have a supp for this) Can you tell me the dosage for a woman? any other suggestions?

^The response to this will be long, but well worth the read.

**GirlyMuscle** · 04-06-2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by -Z-

^The response to this will be long, but well worth the read.

I look forward to it.

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-06-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle

Scoob...

I apologize ahead of time if you've already covered this elsewhere.

I'm currently bulking (for real, not just eating like a piggie). I will start my diet on May 30the and I'm doing Dave's keto thing. For me the first three days after a cheat meal (even moderate) are hell with cravings and mood swings, I'm sure due to getting back into ketosis. I'm trying to figure out how to get into ketosis faster. Exercise? Chromium/vanadyl? (I know you have a supp for this) Can you tell me the dosage for a woman? any other suggestions?

GM, good question. Obviously the cravings and mood swings are from reintroducing carbs to your diet and being out of ketosis for to long. These symptoms though sound to me like someone who is greatly insulin insensitive or carb sensitive because most people are back in 24 hrs if that. Which is probably why you wisely chose the keto diet as your diet of choice. You probably have felt the bloat, sluggishness when you eat carbs all your life, am I right?

When you cheat Id do a double dose of my Slin Trol (only since you asked about it) which would be 20 mg vanadyl sulfate and 400 mcg of chromium POLYNICOTINATE. I know Myth does this with his large intake and swears by it. This will make your own insulin more productive and help clear/dispose of the glucose quicker.

My guess is the cheat meal is overloading your system (since you are insulin insensitive) and the sugars are sticking around in your blood stream rather than being disposed of into the muscle tissue where we want them. This causes you to stay out of ketosis for days and feel really ill/hazy/moody etc for a few more days.

After the meal is consumed you could also try to supplement with leucine for the rest of the evening which is known to help control blood sugar levels when ingested with glucose. Im not sure on dosage here, you may want to do a little of you own research here.

As far as exercise in theory that should make you more insulin sensitive so have an intense training session prior to the refeed. As for more exercise immediately after that would help to burn up some of that glycogen, but then again, isnt the point to refuel so you can work out harder, stronger, longer the whole week. Not to mention the thyroid benefits. I guess Id just hate to see you refuel for all those benefits to only have to do 45 mins of HIIT that night to be back to normal, seems like a zero sum game perhaps.

Now thats some of the OTC ways, there are things like Metaformin and glucophage, but I know nothing about them. So you would be doing your own research and dosing there.

I hope this helped some.

**Youngguns** · 04-06-2009, 07:23 PM

Can you see anything wrong with having oats/shake post workout and possibly another meal of the day? I know most people advocate whole foods...

I 170 5'8'', started dieting today. Going to do 20 minutes of low intensity after my workout. 300p, 250c, 60 fat for now, I will lower fat to 50 next week and 40 the week after. On cardio only days I'll take out one carb meal, bringing it down to 200g carbs on off days.

How does that sound?

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-06-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Youngguns

Can you see anything wrong with having oats/shake post workout and possibly another meal of the day? I know most people advocate whole foods...

I 170 5'8'', started dieting today. Going to do 20 minutes of low intensity after my workout. 300p, 250c, 60 fat for now, I will lower fat to 50 next week and 40 the week after. On cardio only days I'll take out one carb meal, bringing it down to 200g carbs on off days.

How does that sound?

Actually I see more people eating whey and waxy. Less doing whole foods. Im a whole foods myself.

But I dont see anything wrong with what you propose.

I think for 170 with what maybe 150 lbs LBM I think 300 pro is to much for natural, that is 2 x lbm, by all means give it a whirl, but I dont think you need that much. I personally do 1.75 to 1.5 and most natural I work with are set up on the same thing especially where you are keeping carbs in. If carbs were lower you may need all that protein. Carbs I think are spot on. Fats, what is that 20% of daily intake, dont lower them until weight loss stops.

You already have your gameplan but you DONT know what your body is going to do. Just see how it reacts before blindly saying well next week I drop these fats then more fats. See what I mean?

Otherwise its pretty solid, I just gave you some things to think about.

Ss

**Youngguns** · 04-07-2009, 09:07 AM

*thumbs up*

In reality I'm getting about 270-280 protein. 3 whole meals and two shakes/oatmeal. 5 whole meals is too expensive and time consuming if you're just getting beach ready.

Also, do you eat blueberries, apples or raspberries while dieting? On that note, any fruit? Why or why not?

Razor Ripped said apples, blueberries are ok and I know someone pretty successful useing raspberries daily.

I used them last time to cut and it went great, I didn't get down to a very low bodyfat but for the initial loss it worked great.

**GirlyMuscle** · 04-07-2009, 09:21 AM

Thank you, Scoob. I'll give that a try when the dieting starts.

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-07-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Youngguns

*thumbs up*

In reality I'm getting about 270-280 protein. 3 whole meals and two shakes/oatmeal. 5 whole meals is too expensive and time consuming if you're just getting beach ready.

Also, do you eat blueberries, apples or raspberries while dieting? On that note, any fruit? Why or why not?

Razor Ripped said apples, blueberries are ok and I know someone pretty successful useing raspberries daily.

I used them last time to cut and it went great, I didn't get down to a very low bodyfat but for the initial loss it worked great.

blueberries every morning for me, 15 grams in weight worth it aint much but its tasty and gives much needed anti oxidants.

I also think grapefruit and strawberries work well.

**Myth** · 04-07-2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Scoobysnacks

When you cheat Id do a double dose of my Slin Trol (only since you asked about it) which would be 20 mg vanadyl sulfate and 400 mcg of chromium POLYNICOTINATE. I know Myth does this with his large intake and swears by it. This will make your own insulin more productive and help clear/dispose of the glucose quicker.

TRUTH! I take my GDAs 30 minutes prior to my massive refeed meals of 600-900g carbs, and my blood sugar never gets above the 150s. I've honestly never seen it hit 160. Of course a lot of this has to do with the intensity and volume of my training and weekly diet, but I know for a fact that the GDAs help out because I have tested my blood sugar with and without them

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-07-2009, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Myth

TRUTH! I take my GDAs 30 minutes prior to my massive refeed meals of 600-900g carbs, and my blood sugar never gets above the 150s. I've honestly never seen it hit 160. Of course a lot of this has to do with the intensity and volume of my training and weekly diet, but I know for a fact that the GDAs help out because I have tested my blood sugar with and without them

Buddy Im glad you saw this and weighed in, thanks for that.

BTW, how did the show turn out for ya?

Ss