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    Default Official keto thread

    I've received permission from the mods to make this thread a sticky. All questions or comments regarding keto diets are welcome. Myself, as well as a few others on this board, are well-versed on the subject matter, so fire away!

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    Lets get it started.

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    So why do you think refeeds are more beneficial then a single cheat meal (which a few on here I think believe in, or that Dave suggests) when on a keto diet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBT View Post
    So why do you think refeeds are more beneficial then a single cheat meal (which a few on here I think believe in, or that Dave suggests) when on a keto diet?

    I think once you're very lean this is an option. However I also think it depends on your body and your level of activity. It should be experimented with. If you're getting fantastic results with one cheat meal, WHY do more? I believe in using the least amount of carbs to get the job done, and if it's getting done, adding more is not beneficial IMO.

    This is best left to personal experimentation, being patient and noting the results in a methodical way. Start with one carb meal if you're lean. Add in a second and do that for 2-3 weeks. Are your results better? No? Then go back to one meal. Yes? Great, 2 meals is now what you should use. Perhaps then as you progress try 3 meals, note results over the next few weeks. Improvement? Yes? Keep it. No? Go back to 2 meals, etc. If you start slowing fat loss then you've gone too far and you should go back to what you were doing previously. This is your "sweet spot" for now.

    I'm very much against going from one cheat meal and then BAM doing an entire cheat day. Too much of a jump. What if a half day is better? You don't know. There's no process involved here to really find out the best way.

    There's no way to say "this is definitely the amount you should do and it works for everyone." So this type of experimenting is important in learning what works for your body.

    For fat guys, I highly recommend against more than a single meal per week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    I think once you're very lean this is an option. However I also think it depends on your body and your level of activity. It should be experimented with. If you're getting fantastic results with one cheat meal, WHY do more? I believe in using the least amount of carbs to get the job done, and if it's getting done, adding more is not beneficial IMO.

    This is best left to personal experimentation, being patient and noting the results in a methodical way. Start with one carb meal if you're lean. Add in a second and do that for 2-3 weeks. Are your results better? No? Then go back to one meal. Yes? Great, 2 meals is now what you should use. Perhaps then as you progress try 3 meals, note results over the next few weeks. Improvement? Yes? Keep it. No? Go back to 2 meals, etc. If you start slowing fat loss then you've gone too far and you should go back to what you were doing previously. This is your "sweet spot" for now.

    I'm very much against going from one cheat meal and then BAM doing an entire cheat day. Too much of a jump. What if a half day is better? You don't know. There's no process involved here to really find out the best way.

    There's no way to say "this is definitely the amount you should do and it works for everyone." So this type of experimenting is important in learning what works for your body.

    For fat guys, I highly recommend against more than a single meal per week.
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    I can chime in on the meal. I used the one meal Dave allowed as an excuse to pig out. It didn't affect me the first few weeks, but I gained 4 lbs the last two weeks, and did not cheat any other time other than the cheat meal.

    Dave advised me to cut the cheat meal down to a reasonable size meal, and I was up zero pounds the next morning (this past weekend).

    I agree, the least amount of carbs needed to stoke the fire, the better. Hopefully this will get me back on track of losing a lb or two a week!

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    what are some of the number thats people have lost in the first week or second week on the diet...or if you lost any.

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    Is there a way to speed up getting into ketosis? I find that if I have my cheat on Saturday night I don't get into ketosis until Wednesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle View Post
    Is there a way to speed up getting into ketosis? I find that if I have my cheat on Saturday night I don't get into ketosis until Wednesday.
    I would not worry about being in ketosis as much as just being in a deficient when it comes to consuming calories. Also the longer you use the diet the more efficient your body becomes at entering a keto state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla02 View Post
    what are some of the number thats people have lost in the first week or second week on the diet...or if you lost any.
    I lost 4 the first week, and only 1 the second week.

    I hear of people losing lots more than that, but I was pretty happy with the results because I was not on low cal keto.

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    Hi Myth

    Great to see you over here, i was just wanting to know what you recommend in regards to off season carb cycling? Such as how many carbs per lb and which meals.

    Im currently taking in Meal1 PostWO1 and PostWO2 with carbs figured based on BW divided by 3 split between these meals

    Do you recommend skiploading or smaller carb refeeds in the offseason?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizzy View Post
    I would not worry about being in ketosis as much as just being in a deficient when it comes to consuming calories. Also the longer you use the diet the more efficient your body becomes at entering a keto state.
    The reason I ask is I deal with cravings and headaches until I'm in ketosis so I'm trying to minimize them. The faster I'm in ketosis, the longer I feel good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Hi Myth

    Great to see you over here, i was just wanting to know what you recommend in regards to off season carb cycling? Such as how many carbs per lb and which meals.

    Im currently taking in Meal1 PostWO1 and PostWO2 with carbs figured based on BW divided by 3 split between these meals

    Do you recommend skiploading or smaller carb refeeds in the offseason?

    Thanks in advance!
    I believe myth suggest LBM x .75-1g carbs Meal 1 PWO,PWO2. As for refeed I think 1 meal last meal of the day to keep the fat at away and your metabolism primed.

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    1 big yams for me it enough, sunday before bed, if i touch simple carbs i come crazy n wont stop so... Complex carbs with nothing else in moderate amount, full me up real good

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle View Post
    Is there a way to speed up getting into ketosis? I find that if I have my cheat on Saturday night I don't get into ketosis until Wednesday.
    Leucine. 5g per meal for at least the first few meals the day after the cheat.

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