Official keto thread

**JayKurk** · 11-08-2009, 05:56 PM

just have a cheat meal ,its bee 2 weeks !

AVBG · 11-08-2009, 06:16 PM

Don't deny yourself the cheat meal. You gotta have it so the diet works properly and you don't go nuts.

**Darkseid** · 11-08-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by dunkel

Serious?

Yes.

**Darkseid** · 11-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by AVBG

Don't deny yourself the cheat meal. You gotta have it so the diet works properly and you don't go nuts.

Since yesterday I started to feel more energetic, more stamina.
And I like how lean I'm getting each day. So no cheat meal for this week.

AVBG · 11-08-2009, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Darkseid

Since yesterday I started to feel more energetic, more stamina.
And I like how lean I'm getting each day. So no cheat meal for this week.

If you miss out your cheat meal, you then run the risk that you'll plateau sooner rather than later - you'll (if you compete) need something left in the tank. The cheat meal in the diet wasn't included as an afterthought but something that is crucial to it's long term success.

**Darkseid** · 11-08-2009, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by JayKurk

just have a cheat meal ,its bee 2 weeks !

I read on Dave Draper page that until you get to your ideal body weight(at week 4th) you can not do the carb load.

I'm trying to emulate the guy, look at how good used to look.

Dave got a very informative site about keto diet.

At 60 years old

**cobra** · 11-08-2009, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Frosty

Cheapest that is still pretty good is Twinlab liquid cod liver oil.

www.vitacost.com and search for "Twinlab cod liver oil"

I'm at work...I'd link directly otherwise. It's not the best tasting, though, but you get plenty of vitamin A and D and decent EPA and DHA for the price.

How much should I purchase? How long should 12 ounces last? How much should I use per day? Keep in mind I'm not on Keto anymore, but am essential eating the same as far as protein/fat goes, just on training days I'll have carbs w/every meal but before sleep and on non trainin days I have 2-3 carb meals. I've been takin about 6grams fish oil..

**Darkseid** · 11-08-2009, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by AVBG

If you miss out your cheat meal, you then run the risk that you'll plateau sooner rather than later - you'll (if you compete) need something left in the tank. The cheat meal in the diet wasn't included as an afterthought but something that is crucial to it's long term success.

How fo I recognise that I'm on a planteau?
I don't think I rich that limitation at the moment, since my energy levels are higher than ever and getting leaner each day.

**Frosty** · 11-08-2009, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by cobra

How much should I purchase? How long should 12 ounces last? How much should I use per day? Keep in mind I'm not on Keto anymore, but am essential eating the same as far as protein/fat goes, just on training days I'll have carbs w/every meal but before sleep and on non trainin days I have 2-3 carb meals. I've been takin about 6grams fish oil..

2 teaspoons a day would last about 35 days, that's 9g of cod liver oil a day.

**Frosty** · 11-08-2009, 09:20 PM

I don't see anything wrong with not doing a cheat for the first 4 weeks. You'll adapt faster this way.

No biggie either way. It's pretty flexible.

**jjjohns_10** · 11-08-2009, 10:57 PM

hey frost, what's your honest opinion of Lipolyze and Somalyze? Reason I ask is they're marketed as non-stimulant based fat burners, but lipolyze contains green tea extract, an obvious stimulant. Your thoughts?

**Frosty** · 11-08-2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by jjjohns_10

hey frost, what's your honest opinion of Lipolyze and Somalyze? Reason I ask is they're marketed as non-stimulant based fat burners, but lipolyze contains green tea extract, an obvious stimulant. Your thoughts?

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to get a stimulant effect from green tea, assuming it isn't decaffeinated (not sure on that).

Otherwise I think it's a decent fat burner, but a tad expensive. I like non-stimulants myself personally. Some people they burn out too fast on stims when dieting especially, myself included. Not everyone is like that, though, but I still agree with not using a lot of stimulants

**Darkseid** · 11-09-2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't see anything wrong with not doing a cheat for the first 4 weeks. You'll adapt faster this way.

No biggie either way. It's pretty flexible.

Ok Frosty, in the case I allow myself to do the carb meal (chest meal), how much carb I must be eating during that day? is there a value to multiple per my weight? or just eat 100gr? or 150gr?

I'm planning that my carb load day is going to be the same carb I use pre contest "rice cakes".

What do you think?

**Gothic Muscle** · 11-09-2009, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Frosty

Did he say any more than that? Otherwise that's pretty useless information if he doesn't say how much fiber would convert to how many calories of fat in the gut.

1.5kcals/gram. While this amount is miniscule in itself, it all depends how much supplemental fibre a person uses over the course of a day.
Scott Connelly also states in Body RX that soluble fibre is fermented by the good bacteria into short chain fatty acids which are used as an energy source but of course Scott's program does not concern itself with exceptionally low levels of carbs.