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    Quote Originally Posted by nigster View Post
    I think, that even though the difference might not be that big at all, there's still a mild advantage doing it in fasted state (e.g. in the morning). Or otherwise right after the weight training session. I think this is also something that Dave recommends, right?
    I e-mailed Dave and he said "fasted cardio is always more potent but its not imperative"

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    Hi guys. This question is about implementing pro/veg days from the beginning of the diet to achieve maximum fat loss per week. Basically I have about 7 weeks to cut for a fotoshoot, and I have approx 17 lbs of fat or so to lose. I am an advanced DP keto dieter with experience etc. I can lose about 2lbs per week if I do the diet normally (without pro/veg days, with weekly cheat meal), but I need to speed things up this time.

    I emailed dave and he said 2-4 lbs/wk is possible, with 2+ hrs of cardio a day, but his answer re: pro veg days/cheat meal was unclear. What do you think I should do -- add 2 pro/veg days from week 1 and KEEP cheat meal, OR add 2 p/v days and REMOVE cheat meal?

    THANKS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzinc20 View Post
    Hi guys. This question is about implementing pro/veg days from the beginning of the diet to achieve maximum fat loss per week. Basically I have about 7 weeks to cut for a fotoshoot, and I have approx 17 lbs of fat or so to lose. I am an advanced DP keto dieter with experience etc. I can lose about 2lbs per week if I do the diet normally (without pro/veg days, with weekly cheat meal), but I need to speed things up this time.

    I emailed dave and he said 2-4 lbs/wk is possible, with 2+ hrs of cardio a day, but his answer re: pro veg days/cheat meal was unclear. What do you think I should do -- add 2 pro/veg days from week 1 and KEEP cheat meal, OR add 2 p/v days and REMOVE cheat meal?

    THANKS!!!

    pro/veg, keep the cheat for at least the first month

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    I've been diagnosed with candida and decided to try Keto (not for the weight/fat loss I'm aldready lean 7-8 %), but not Palumbo keto (it's not real keto) I do 70/30 fat/protein, since too much protein converts into glucose - not so good when having candida. Also I try to eat 8 hours and fast for the next 16 hours (the same reason - candida - I try to make them starve)
    So my plan looks like this:

    before training - 10g BCAA
    8:00 am - train
    9:30 am - PWO - 6 whole eggs, 1.5oz bacon, 1tbsp olive oil, salad
    snack - 1oz nuts
    12:00am - 9oz chicken, 2tbsp olive oil, salad
    3:00 pm - 9oz white fish, tbsp olive oil, salad
    5:30 pm - 9oz beef, 2 tbsp olive oil, salad

    180g protein, 180-200g fat, 30g carbs 2600cals
    6'2 225 7-8%bf 26 y/o ecto
    200mg test prop a week, 25mg proviron eod, 25mcg T3, ipamorelin,cjc1295.

    How this looks like?

    why dont you just cleanse that candida out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC123Jm View Post
    pro/veg, keep the cheat for at least the first month
    Thanks BC123JM

    Just to confirm, here's my pro/veg day diet:

    Pro/Veg:
    1 -- 50g WPI
    2 -- 7 oz chicken breast + asparagus
    3 -- 7 oz chicken breast + asparagus
    4 -- 50g WPI + 1 tbsp triple strength fishoil (post workout)
    5 -- 7 oz chicken breast + asparagus
    6 -- 50g WPI

    How many should I start out with, 2 pro/veg in a row, 5 pro/fat? And keep cheat meal for sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzinc20 View Post
    Thanks BC123JM

    Just to confirm, here's my pro/veg day diet:

    Pro/Veg:
    1 -- 50g WPI
    2 -- 7 oz chicken breast + asparagus
    3 -- 7 oz chicken breast + asparagus
    4 -- 50g WPI + 1 tbsp triple strength fishoil (post workout)
    5 -- 7 oz chicken breast + asparagus
    6 -- 50g WPI

    How many should I start out with, 2 pro/veg in a row, 5 pro/fat? And keep cheat meal for sure?

    i wouldn't do more than 2 days in a row. personally i would do a carb up once a week vs cheat meal.

    Sun: pro/veg
    Mon: pro/veg
    Tue: pro/fat
    wed: pro/fat
    Thurs: pro/veg
    Friday: carb load
    Sat: pro/fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC123Jm View Post
    i wouldn't do more than 2 days in a row. personally i would do a carb up once a week vs cheat meal.

    Sun: pro/veg
    Mon: pro/veg
    Tue: pro/fat
    wed: pro/fat
    Thurs: pro/veg
    Friday: carb load
    Sat: pro/fat
    Awesome! gonna start my first veg day tomorrow

    How many g of carbs would you take in for the clean carb-up? I usually do 2.5-3 cups of raw oats and cook it with liquid sucralose + 50g whey directly after my weekly arm workout.... gives me round 130-160g carbs + 50 pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzinc20 View Post
    Awesome! gonna start my first veg day tomorrow

    How many g of carbs would you take in for the clean carb-up? I usually do 2.5-3 cups of raw oats and cook it with liquid sucralose + 50g whey directly after my weekly arm workout.... gives me round 130-160g carbs + 50 pro
    10 grams of carbs per kilo of LBM. spread over the day.use a combination of hi and low GI
    take in only trace fats.
    Last edited by BC123Jm; 11-06-2011 at 12:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzinc20 View Post
    Awesome! gonna start my first veg day tomorrow

    How many g of carbs would you take in for the clean carb-up? I usually do 2.5-3 cups of raw oats and cook it with liquid sucralose + 50g whey directly after my weekly arm workout.... gives me round 130-160g carbs + 50 pro
    I think common practice is to get into ketosis then switch on and off protein/veg days. If you're not running on fat right now and you just cut carbs and fats that's just slashing calories. Metabolism will probably take a nose dive. And remember, whey protein readily converts to glucose unless taken with a source of fats. I'd replace the shake with chicken/fish/steak.

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    I'm planning on to start a keto diet. I'm 215lb bf% 18-20 possibly, 34yr. I've been reading alot and I wanted to know how cardio is done with this type of diet. I heard conflicting answers. Doing high intensity or low intensity, I'm confused. Can someone p/s clarify this. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboi View Post
    I'm planning on to start a keto diet. I'm 215lb bf% 18-20 possibly, 34yr. I've been reading alot and I wanted to know how cardio is done with this type of diet. I heard conflicting answers. Doing high intensity or low intensity, I'm confused. Can someone p/s clarify this. Thanks.
    Cardio is always low intensity when on keto. Don't exceed 120 bpm.

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    I started running keto 3 weeks ago, lost about 10 pounds. I like to do cardio at 140-150 bpm and was wondering if this will burn muscle (I'm on test atm). I just feel its more beneficial for the cardiovascular system. If its burning muscle though Ill switch it out to lower intensity

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    Quote Originally Posted by evser View Post
    I started running keto 3 weeks ago, lost about 10 pounds. I like to do cardio at 140-150 bpm and was wondering if this will burn muscle (I'm on test atm). I just feel its more beneficial for the cardiovascular system. If its burning muscle though Ill switch it out to lower intensity
    You should be fine at that heart rate. The increased nitrogen retention from the drugs will protect muscle. I am natty and sometimes get up to that heart rate with no ill effect

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    Hey! So I've been reading this thread quite a bit, so to introduce myself I'm a female for starters, 27 5"3 160 lbs bf is high following saves keto diet to the tee. Ok so questions is oxyelite pro a nono? I'm using humapro for my protien shakes and senna tea leaves with fiber at night to keep digestion up. This is my second day and I've got the headaches and feel foggy, lol. Anyway down 2 lbs (water?) glad this is up, I need to drop the fat! I have dreams of competing one day so any suggestion or advice would be appreciated especially concerning the cheat meal and omega 3 supp, since that is all being suggested for men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dkp5818 View Post
    Hey! So I've been reading this thread quite a bit, so to introduce myself I'm a female for starters, 27 5"3 160 lbs bf is high following saves keto diet to the tee. Ok so questions is oxyelite pro a nono? I'm using humapro for my protien shakes and senna tea leaves with fiber at night to keep digestion up. This is my second day and I've got the headaches and feel foggy, lol. Anyway down 2 lbs (water?) glad this is up, I need to drop the fat! I have dreams of competing one day so any suggestion or advice would be appreciated especially concerning the cheat meal and omega 3 supp, since that is all being suggested for men
    OxyElite Pro is loaded to the brim with stims. There are many products like it on the market. It may help keep your appetite down (which keto does anyway) and give you a little extra energy for your workouts but don't expect any miracles to come from it. Ephedrine is a better choice if you're going to go the stimulant route. Rapid water loss is common when on a low carb diet. Have your first cheat meal after 2 weeks on the diet. That's cheat MEAL not cheat DAY! You can eat whatever you've been craving during the week. I take 10g of omega-3 fish oil a day. Hope this helps.

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