Official keto thread

[Jipp]

ok. i may start on a small dose and see what happens after a couple weeks.

[Frosty]

ok. i may start on a small dose and see what happens after a couple weeks.

If you're only gonna run it a couple weeks don't waste your time. Think 8 weeks or so.

[Rattbones]

frosty 4 weeks out , what do you think , what do you think it next? in term of diet n ...


thk u

looking good for 4 weeks out, congrats. It's kind of hard to see, the lighting is not great. How do you feel? Looks like you were having a hard time holding a few of your posses

[johngorman]

Myth, can you tell me real quick what all you put in "Myth's Malts"? LOL! Seriously, just curious for taste purposes, you dont have to list out measurements and all, just the stuff you like to put together.

Thanks!

[Jipp]

myth, is the reason why you choose high gi foods over low gi is because its easier to get more carbs in? (i.e. trying to get 300g CHO from oats vs 300g CHO from waffles, candy ect.?)

[Myth]

Myth, can you tell me real quick what all you put in "Myth's Malts"? LOL! Seriously, just curious for taste purposes, you dont have to list out measurements and all, just the stuff you like to put together.

Thanks!

Well, it's Myth's 48oz Margarita now

ice
whey
nut butter
cottage cheese/low carb yogurt (optional)
pre-soaked whole psyllium husk
stevia to sweeten
unsweetened cocoa powder
TP's premium flavors

[Myth]

myth, is the reason why you choose high gi foods over low gi is because its easier to get more carbs in? (i.e. trying to get 300g CHO from oats vs 300g CHO from waffles, candy ect.?)

Not only that, but its a better insulin response.

Read this and others on IM, especially those by Skip.

http://www.intensemuscle.com/27630-h...etabolism.html

[th_vai]

Well, it's Myth's 48oz Margarita now

ice
whey
nut butter
cottage cheese/low carb yogurt (optional)
pre-soaked whole psyllium husk
stevia to sweeten
unsweetened cocoa powder
TP's premium flavors

Shit thats a big ass malt, looks pretty nice lol

[Frosty]

Not only that, but its a better insulin response.

Read this and others on IM, especially those by Skip.

http://www.intensemuscle.com/27630-h...etabolism.html

Yeah, not to mention good luck on eating 300g carbs from oats. That's 13 cups cooked and a whopping 50g of fiber. My guess is you'll be a LITTLE uncomfortable from that

High insulin is a desirable thing on carb refeedings. There are metabolic advantages to high insulin levels during this time. Low GI meals like oats are more suitable for the very fat since they just have terrible insulin control and glucose uptake.

[th_vai]

How does this looks for a refeed day
1st meal 2 whole eggs and 3 egg whites
2 cups cheerios with 1 cup fat free milk

2nd Meal
2 toasted slices of whole wheat bread with nutella or pb and jelly
2 scoops whey

3rd Meal
1 sandwich of salmon, whole wheat bread, philadelphia cheese
1 salad

4th Meal
2 Small Home Made Brownies
1 Home made hamburguer

5th Meal
2 cereal bars

6th Meal
2 scoops Whey
2 small pancakes

[Jipp]

ok, but i dont get why people take GDA's on re-feed days though. doesnt GDA's lower your insulin so when you take in your carbs it wont get that high of an insulin spike? my guess is to shuttle glycogen more efficiently to your muscles?

BTW, i take 200mcg chromium poly and 20mg vanadyl before my 1 refeed meal. Mabey i should just stop taking them and spike my insulin?

[CodyKelly]

Damn this keto thread is blowing up! Frosty needs his own q and a in the celebrity section!!!

[SBT]

How does this looks for a refeed day
1st meal 2 whole eggs and 3 egg whites
2 cups cheerios with 1 cup fat free milk

2nd Meal
2 toasted slices of whole wheat bread with nutella or pb and jelly
2 scoops whey

3rd Meal
1 sandwich of salmon, whole wheat bread, philadelphia cheese
1 salad

4th Meal
2 Small Home Made Brownies
1 Home made hamburguer

5th Meal
2 cereal bars

6th Meal
2 scoops Whey
2 small pancakes

Looks like you need MORE food!!!

[Frosty]

ok, but i dont get why people take GDA's on re-feed days though. doesnt GDA's lower your insulin so when you take in your carbs it wont get that high of an insulin spike? my guess is to shuttle glycogen more efficiently to your muscles?

BTW, i take 200mcg chromium poly and 20mg vanadyl before my 1 refeed meal. Mabey i should just stop taking them and spike my insulin?

For the same amount of carbs, IF, and I repeat, IF the GDAs are doing what they are supposedly doing, they would reduce the insulin response. However you could then theoretically eat MORE carbs and get the same insulin response as less carbs.

Some guys are really into the supercompensation loading. This can have some benefit, but in my opinion, not when cutting. GDAs would allow you to shuttle more nutrients into muscle tissue.

But when it comes down to it, if you do one cheat meal and use chrom/van before the meal, I seriously doubt you'd see any significant difference. If you want to, go for it, but really it's not needed. If someone's glucose tolerance is that shitty that he thinks he really needs them, then he just has to suck it up and eat a smaller, healthier carb meal until he gets his glucose tolerance in better shape.

[Frosty]

Looks like you need MORE food!!!

Better to start low and increase IF needed. Always my preferred method. Try it with lower amounts, note results. If it's superior to a single meal in terms of the RESULTS, then use it. If it's inferior with respect to results, go back to a single meal! Now if the whole day yields superior results to a single meal, you could try more just for sake of experimentation, and if that works better again in terms of results, use it. If not, go back to what worked better. Never ever jump randomly around or go from one extreme to another. Bad testing methodology.