Advice sought....

[cherie1972]

Good evening,
Im new to RX, but would be grateful for advice from other women.
I have been taking oral Stanazolol for 4 months (British Knight brand) and have had some great gains. 50mg per day, which I built up to. No side effects, except sensitive 'down below'.
I wont be competing again until October 2012 and I am using the time between now and then to obviously gain muscle size. Competing in bodybuilding. Im 5"4, 17% bodyfat and around 63kg's (sorry im Australian and dont know pound conversion).
I train hard, diet well etc. 4 days weights, 20mins cardio each day, 1 day full cardio, 1 day off/rest day. 1 cheat meal per week.
This is the first time that I have ever used any chemical enhancement of any kind.
My issue is, my trainer now wants me to take 3 months off taking anything. Give my body a rest etc.
This messes with my mind. What if I loose all that I have gained?
If I was to keep using chemical enhancements, what can I change too? Or should I take 3 months off?
He suggested that I seek advice off this forum from other females.
I just want to gain size, but not ridiculously, but to be ultra competitive in Australia, but I never want to go pro, but want to blow them off the stage here. Im 39 btw.

I have competed 'clean' twice before. Was 4/5th, but comments from judges were I needed more muscle size and maturity.
What do other women do with their cycles and what do you recommend?

Many thanks!

[tammyp]

your trainer is right. if you train and eat properly you wont lose your gains. trust me i am trying to take muscle off and it doesnt move that easily.

primo 100 mg weekly (divided in 2) would ge a good move for you. if your not ready to inject, try some anavar.

[Suzanne]

You will not lose gains as long as you still train
You want to do the minimum amt of "supplements" - MORE IS NOT BETTER!

It's about how you train and how you eat there are women with lots of muscle who have used very little amt of drugs and for short lengths of time and there are women use have used tons of drugs and have hardly anything to show for it

DIET AND TRAINING INTENSITY!!!!!!!!!!!

[sassy69]

The gains you keep are the ones your whole body has adjusted to accommodate - meaning small, continuous changes over time give your whole body (and those parts that aren't affected by the cycle - e.g. your connective tissue) to grow to support the changes. Cycling is just that - cycles. You can't maintain forever by taking some compound forever. The sides people don't usually think about are the stress to the system, the increased cholesterol, blood pressure, impact on the liver, in the case of winstrol, the estrogen-suppression aspects that very often is felt when your joints begin to feel dry & brittle - this is why you can't stay on stuff forever. There is a point where these things begin to produce negative results.

Just like a bulker diet and then a cutter diet - you build, and then you reshape and cut - its a constant ebb & flow in your body composition. You're not going to lose anything that won't be regained at some point, and w/ a low /slow cycle approach you're only going to lose some. But what remains is what your body can support and is what you'd consider "your's" at that point and will contribute to your overall continual muscle maturity.



I hope this makes sense. You're never going to achieve a static state where you gained something and then it stays that way forever. Just like your weight if you get on the scale day in & day out - you'll see ups & downs due to water weight changes, but the overall trend is what is more important because it is showing you the direction of your whole body recomposition.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

from a man who trains women perspective: these girls are right, touching on all of the important pieces. the biggest issue with staying on for lengthy periods of time is adrenal fatigue. this condition causes a ton of pitfalls for someone trying to gain muscle.

my advice is simple; increase your cardio for the time you are off. reduce cheat meals to twice a month and eat regular and clean. now is the right time to drop some bodyfat so that when you go back on, you dont pile any more fat on and make it tough to cut later on.

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

I've used zinc gluconate and/or glycinate to great effect during my maintenance/HPGA recovery phases. My total T and weakly/unbound T levels come back to normal quicker using it. take it well away from caffeine as it will definitely hinder the absorption. Spreading it out through the day as opposed to taking it all at once seems to make no difference. I do 300mg at bedtime. also make sure you get enough cholesterol to make T naturally. I don't think protein powder, fish, and white meat only chicken cuts it. Eat a whole egg daily.

I'm also currently experimenting with a morning only dose of oxandrolone to maintain the lbm gains from my recent boldenone cycle. Just as in men, LH triggers a spike in T production in our gonads. There's a monthly cycle where it really speaks, but there's also the 24 hour cycle we share with men where it peaks during sleep. The idea with morning use of gear (with a very short halflife) is it will produce less suppression of endogenous T production.

[cherie1972]

Hi everone,
Thank you very much for your open and honest advice. I know that he is right, but I guess being new to the use of chemicals and having seen some awesome results from the contribution that chemicals have given, it kind of scares me that all of the hard work, and YES, hard work was still required to get these gains may be potentialy lost!!! I have NO intention of still not training my arse off and eating right during my 'off cycle'.
SO, I will take the advice of my trainer and the advice of those given to me here also.
I used anavar oral at the start of my cycle and changed to stanazolol half way through, based primarily on price. I didnt really see too much, if any difference in either of these.
When I recommence, what do others suggest? I would be interested to hear more about primmo, TammyP's suggestion. Im happy to start to inject, but dont want to use Testosterone or HGH. So from January, ill commence a new cycle, and ill be 10months out from competing again in October 2012.
Thank you again everyone!

[cherie1972]

Hi Tammy,
Would like to know more about your suggestion of Primo, what it does etc.
Thank you,
C

[tammyp]

do a search on primo in this forum. tons of info on it

[tankygirl]

Cherie, I have done both winny (injected) and anavar seperately and a cycle with them together. I am now only using var as I have found the winny caused joint issues... my hips and knees were clicking so bad you could here them when I walked around, I sounded like a robot that needed oiling. I LOVE the anavar, and have had great gains from it without having to take huge amounts. I have had no sides from the Anavar but have my suspicions that the winny caused shoulder problems. I also make sure I take a very good Liver guard. When I stopped my previous cycles I lost no muscle at all except a very small amount in the last week of competition dieting.
Listen to these amazing women on this site, they are full of awesome advice!
PS - I'm also in Oz )