N.P.C. Bodybuilders ( ultimate warrior) can't swing Iron Sheiks clubs

**KTTraining** · 11-14-2011, 03:16 PM

Not sure how to embed this video, but this was taken from 1983 NPC Georgia Bodybuilding Championships. The Ultimate Warrior ( Jim Helwig) was competing and gave it a go. He is the second guy up and would go on to win and go to Nationals.

http://youtu.be/3OAxON8KAXI

**figgz** · 12-05-2011, 08:24 AM

**KTTraining** · 01-03-2012, 12:31 AM

Thanks for embedding this , Figgz.. I use these clubs n they are as hard as can be.. I definitely couldn't have done them when I was bodybuilding.

**Hit-Girl** · 01-03-2012, 01:28 AM

Pretty cool, and way hard looking.

**KTTraining** · 01-15-2012, 07:38 PM

Glad you liked it. I use these clubs in my training and they are incredibly challenging. Lots of my powerlifting , bodybuilding, mma and wrestling friends have lots of trouble with them . It's fun to watch though, lol.

**BigGreen1** · 03-21-2012, 08:29 PM

although it maybe a good exercise for wrestlers etc i cant see the benefit it would have for a bodybuilder. wouldnt be supprised if the bodybuilder injured himself duing this. i bet sheik cant squat or deadlift or bench what this guy can

**KTTraining** · 03-21-2012, 09:30 PM

Of course .. with the exception of light club swinging to improve joint mobility there is no benefit to a bodybuilder. These clubs were specifically designed to handle through these ranges of motion for wrestling . the non stop movement with them mimics the type of challenge, both isometrically and dynamically , that one would incur in wrestling . The grip attained is incredible because the handle moves in all different directions within the hand, which develops all areas of ones grip.

Sheik was a animal ( olympic assistant wrestling coach, pan am gold medal winner, iraq wrestling champion ( they are one of the best wrestling countries) , coach at minnisota U wrestling . Although he may not have been able to squat or dead what they can , I most definitely can and I use the clubs as well : )

**KTTraining** · 03-21-2012, 09:46 PM

On second thought , Big Green.. Sheik was born , raised and trained in Iran. He was one of the top wrestlers in his country and the world. Since Iran is and has always been a pretty strong olympic weight lifting country I will change my initial post and say that with a few months specific training Sheik may in fact be able to blow those three Bodybuilders out of the water with the squat and deadlift . We just dont know, but I wouldn't bet against him and his back round. I would be surprised if he didn't do his fair share of top caliber weight lifting as a top wrestler for Iran.

**BigGreen1** · 03-22-2012, 12:34 PM

yeah i understand how beneficial it can be for a wrestler...
as a bodybuilder i wouldnt have even got up to try it because the last thing he wants is to fuck up his rotator cuff or something, not to mention using a heavy weight with no warm up!
personally if i compare it to a soccer player trying to out put a golfer on the green - it just wouldnt happen. but if you got the golfer on the soccer pitch he wouldnt be able to play as well as a footbeller. that is my argument.
Also i dont doubt that he is a strong guy and an expert on his field, i wasnt suggesting that at all

for some reason i am reminded of when i go on holiday to turkey or egypt. they see a big guy and immediately ask for an arm wrestle lol i couldnt pass a shop or a bar without getting harrased for an arm wrestle for a wager but i wouldnt because i didnt want to fuck up my shoulder. My friend on the other hand did who is also a bodybuilder. he won. he also fucked up his rotator cuff. he was against a skinny guy that was a very good arm wrestler

personally i dont see arm wrestling as a test of strength. i would have been more than happy to deadlift against them though.

**KTTraining** · 03-22-2012, 01:48 PM

I completely understand what your saying . It's specific and I , in no way , would suggest bodybuilders go out and do it . That's why I put it in the Pro Wrestling section .

About the Arm Wrestling... that's so funny . It is the same way in America.. just walk into a bar and I'm sure you'd be asked the same thing by some drunk . I've gotten my share of it as I'm sure most big guys have . The Meels (clubs) are different than Arm Wrestling though, in that they are very difficult to even lift and control let alone swing with a coordinated effort .

Regardless, Bodybuilders should just stick with bodybuilding..whats the sense otherwise ? Take care , B. G.

**KTTraining** · 03-24-2012, 12:02 AM

I just wanted to add some pics to this thread. Aside from the heavy club swinging , hindu squats/ pushups I think it's pretty obvious the guy could lift some heavy stuff . A friend of mine is friendly w Sheik and I asked him if he can find out for me . Regardless, he could suplex 300 pound men pretty easily.. haha.. That's good enough for me. Hope you like the pix.

**BigGreen1** · 03-27-2012, 03:16 PM

yeah looks pretty big to me!

this is one of the reasons i am a fan of cena (yeah, shoot me lol) the lifts he does are brilliant very strong, good core and keeps a big, lean look yeaar round!

not to mention how he throws huge guys around like they are nothing

**KTTraining** · 03-28-2012, 05:58 PM

I agree, Cena's a strong guy..especially considering the schedule he keeps . The first exercise I do here are with 35 pound long Mil's (clubs) these are heavier than sheiks clubs and are extremely difficult to lift .. I was very surprised when I first picked up my first pair of long clubs and they were only 14 pounds each .. I was used to lifting heavy barbells and dumbbells but these things humbled me real fast ..

http://youtu.be/7P_UbmKzmWQ

**BigGreen1** · 03-29-2012, 01:57 PM

very impressive video! some good exercises liked what you did with the kettlebells too. and some bad ass moves in the ring!

wont let me rep you again yet lol

**KTTraining** · 03-29-2012, 09:53 PM

Thanks, Big Green .. of course not great for Bodybuilding but for strength and development for sports it's good stuff . The Kettlebell exercise was made popular by a russian Olympic Greco wrestler and USA olympic coach, ivan ivanov .

Nice lat spread profile . Do you compete ?

**BigGreen1** · 04-11-2012, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by KTTraining

Thanks, Big Green .. of course not great for Bodybuilding but for strength and development for sports it's good stuff . The Kettlebell exercise was made popular by a russian Olympic Greco wrestler and USA olympic coach, ivan ivanov .

Nice lat spread profile . Do you compete ?

thanks bro, that is from when i was natural

i am going to compete next year in a local show as a prep then start competing in nebba and ukbff. im only 21 but missed the juniors because of the month i was born in!!

i dont even need to ask u the same question ha, very good phisique!!

**KTTraining** · 04-12-2012, 06:17 PM

Good for you, BG that sounds great !! To bad about the timing but I'm sure you'll make up for it and come in strong for your upcoming shows . Profile pix looks great , especially as a natural !! What weight class will you compete in ?

**BigGreen1** · 04-12-2012, 06:46 PM

thanks alot mate, im not natural any more though so cant do natty shows ha. Well nabba in the UK is on height not weight - class 1, 2, 3 and 4 then an overall of the top guys in the group.
the practice local show is u23s im thinking i should nail that one if i dont i will be dissapointed!

what is your contest history? and have you competed in wrestling? grappling or anything like that?

**KTTraining** · 04-21-2012, 04:47 PM

Thank you , Kamagrafun .. Do you use Clubs in training ?

**KTTraining** · 04-21-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by BigGreen1

thanks alot mate, im not natural any more though so cant do natty shows ha. Well nabba in the UK is on height not weight - class 1, 2, 3 and 4 then an overall of the top guys in the group.
the practice local show is u23s im thinking i should nail that one if i dont i will be dissapointed!

what is your contest history? and have you competed in wrestling? grappling or anything like that?

Hey Big G !! Hope your having a great day .. That's great ..I'm looking forward to seeing your progress into the show ..

I wish Nabba had a greater follwing in the USA. I do have some friends that have done well on that circuit, however . The pix is my friend Buddy Drieman , Nabba USA. He also competed in other nabba shows . Another is Jerry Scalise , Nabba Universe and an incredibly thick bodybuilder I grew up in the gym watching train . In the gym I went to as a teen we had a big Nabba supporter, Bob Gruskin getting all the competitors to switch over . It was tough as the NPC was building real strong in the NY area .

I began competing at 15 and won lots of natural shows, switched to NPC and won mens divisions as a teen but skipped the teen nationals . I moved away from competing in early 20's and then came back to natural tested shows by late 20's, became a pro in a tested org NABF then switched back to NPC, won national qualifier in Jersey and made the biggest regret of droppoing out of 2003 nationals the morning of pre judging . In my warped thinking I simply am never good enough for myself . Please don't ever make that mistake in your own training . Always believe in yourself !!! I switched over to pro wrestling and went to WWE... In that world you can't control your outcome so it is what it is . Over the past couple years I train MMA and won two NAGA, FGL submission grappling tournaments and am training my hardest everyday to make something happen .

Please keep us up to date with your contest prep.

**BigGreen1** · 04-22-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by KTTraining

Hey Big G !! Hope your having a great day .. That's great ..I'm looking forward to seeing your progress into the show ..

I wish Nabba had a greater follwing in the USA. I do have some friends that have done well on that circuit, however . The pix is my friend Buddy Drieman , Nabba USA. He also competed in other nabba shows . Another is Jerry Scalise , Nabba Universe and an incredibly thick bodybuilder I grew up in the gym watching train . In the gym I went to as a teen we had a big Nabba supporter, Bob Gruskin getting all the competitors to switch over . It was tough as the NPC was building real strong in the NY area .

I began competing at 15 and won lots of natural shows, switched to NPC and won mens divisions as a teen but skipped the teen nationals . I moved away from competing in early 20's and then came back to natural tested shows by late 20's, became a pro in a tested org NABF then switched back to NPC, won national qualifier in Jersey and made the biggest regret of droppoing out of 2003 nationals the morning of pre judging . In my warped thinking I simply am never good enough for myself . Please don't ever make that mistake in your own training . Always believe in yourself !!! I switched over to pro wrestling and went to WWE... In that world you can't control your outcome so it is what it is . Over the past couple years I train MMA and won two NAGA, FGL submission grappling tournaments and am training my hardest everyday to make something happen .

Please keep us up to date with your contest prep.

wow that is alot of experience! did you see a big difference in the tested/ untested shows? like coverage ect...

sorry to hear about you having regrets in your bodybuilding, i can assure you however you built a phisique that anybody on these boards would be proud of. I do understand about the 'what ifs' though! you look amazing on the picture by the way, your build reminds me abit of mike mentzer.

The NABBA could do with a little more coverage elsewhere, its huge in the UK though (in the bodybuilding scene anyway) and the competition is at a very high level. buddy dreimann had an excellent phisique.

WWE is huge, some people try their whole lifes to get to that level! very harsh industry i know! most people dont understand just how hard those guys work and the pressure they are put under!

i will most deffinately keep you updated. Good talking to you, KTT!