halo

[Kaotic]

Some people can get away with this. It's not worth the risk for anyone IMO. Just because you don't feel shut down doesn't mean your test levels haven't been shot. Also, some people retain their gains fine even when their T levels are completely smashed. Others don't. The safest way to ensure that you maintain your gains and get the hpta back to normal following any ph/ds cycle is by using a SERM. There is no excuse for not being able to find these compounds, plenty of good sponsors on this site have them readily availible on their websites.

And I completely agree with you, just like I made it clear that what I did worked for me. As for the maintaining gains, to tell you the truth I was still getting stronger and BIGGER when I got off. I havent checked my T levels, but im confident that there not messed up due to the fact im still progressing. But sounds like you got down what you need to do when you run a supplement like this. Good luck.

[TheABomb]

I'm glad someone finally posted this in the IML thread. It seems borderline irresponsible for IML to be advocating using Ultra Male RX and E-control or 6-Bromo or any combo thereof as sole components necessary for a Halo pct. With that said, I plan on using there products myself in the coming months including ultra male but to be sure I will also use clomid as the core of my pct.

I don't think they are, every post I've read by The NEck and everyone seems to say that a SERM should be used.

But you are right that halodrol has been out for many years before IML decided to make a clone. It is well known exactly how suppressive it is and what sort of pct is required.

And I completely agree with you, just like I made it clear that what I did worked for me. As for the maintaining gains, to tell you the truth I was still getting stronger and BIGGER when I got off. I havent checked my T levels, but im confident that there not messed up due to the fact im still progressing. But sounds like you got down what you need to do when you run a supplement like this. Good luck.

This is always possible too. I know guys that continued to gain, but when they got their T levels checked were below 200. In fact, cortisol might play a much larger role in muscle retention than testosterone. T levels might not have as much to do with it as we might think. This is why the 11-oxo bridge has become popular when coming off of designers and prohormones. Some people are more prone to cortisol spikes when using this stuff which can ruin all on-cycle gains. And will end up smashing T levels eventually.

The science is really complicated and nobody has all the answers. But it never huts to use a SERM. Not using one, even for something like halo, might have serious consequences.

[Qster]

I've been lifting now for about three years. I thought about using Metha-drol but was told it was smart move to start off with Halo. I just have some questions...

What should my PCT look like?

What is a TRT?

Can this affect my fertility and natural testosterone forever?

Is there any reason I should not take this supplement?


I know they are some real newbie type questions. I am very close to purchasing the supplements needed but I don't want to get in over my head.

[Prince]

I've been lifting now for about three years. I thought about using Metha-drol but was told it was smart move to start off with Halo. I just have some questions...

What should my PCT look like?

What is a TRT?

Can this affect my fertility and natural testosterone forever?

Is there any reason I should not take this supplement?

I know they are some real newbie type questions. I am very close to purchasing the supplements needed but I don't want to get in over my head.

TRT = testosterone replacement therapy (not sure why you're asking that?)

Using any type of PH or androgen can affect fertility.

Halo Extreme is very mild, its a PH that converts to Turinabol, it has a low androgenic ratio, you will be fine with Ultra Male Rx and E-Control Rx for PCT.

[Kaotic]

TRT = testosterone replacement therapy (not sure why you're asking that?)

Using any type of PH or androgen can affect fertility.

Halo Extreme is very mild, its a PH that converts to Turinabol, it has a low androgenic ratio, you will be fine with Ultra Male Rx and E-Control Rx for PCT.

A-Bomb, I guess what I did was right! But of course youll have your opinion as well.

[pablobrah]

is using Advanced cycle support, anabolic matrix and E-control efficient for organ control and PCT while on HALO? I didnt add Ultra Male as i felt 1 tbooster would have been sufficient..

[pablobrah]

dbl

[IkeFord]

So does Halo fall under the ban substances for USAPL? I mean as far as I understand its based on the aas anavar? Am I right or wrong? Isn't Anavar undetectable ? Not trying to cheat but I don't want to do a tested meet if I was taking something on the banned list.

[s2h]

So does Halo fall under the ban substances for USAPL? I mean as far as I understand its based on the aas anavar? Am I right or wrong? Isn't Anavar undetectable ? Not trying to cheat but I don't want to do a tested meet if I was taking something on the banned list.

it converts to tbol..i'm def not gonna say it is a banned substance for USAPL..i have no idea..i'm sure they have some type of banned list if you google it...

[IkeFord]

I checked the list and nowhere does it have turinabol. I think it says on Ironmags site that its undetectable. That's why it was such a popular compound.

[The Neck]

So does Halo fall under the ban substances for USAPL? I mean as far as I understand its based on the aas anavar? Am I right or wrong? Isn't Anavar undetectable ? Not trying to cheat but I don't want to do a tested meet if I was taking something on the banned list.

Not a 100% sure if it's on the banned list, I would error on the side of caution though. Maybe look into a Ultra-Male/Anabolic Matrix stacker??

[TheABomb]

A-Bomb, I guess what I did was right! But of course youll have your opinion as well.

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. This product has been around for almost a decade. It is well known how suppressive it is and how people's recoveries differ with SERMs vs otc ptc. Gaspari first made it in 04, or something like that. CEL had a popular clone called h-drol. Pretty much everyone makes a clone and everyone has run this product. A lot of online blood tests to see.

With all respect to Prince, I disagree with him and think this is bad advice. While you definitely CAN use an otc product for pct, a SERM is always going to be a better idea. Plenty of guys have made the mistake of not using a SERM and didn't get quite as lucky as you did. Don't be one of them. You can always throw in the ultimate male and e-control if you like. But why not get some clomid? It's easy to get, cheap, and there are plenty of good sponsors here on rx site that sell it.*

[TheABomb]

it converts to tbol..i'm def not gonna say it is a banned substance for USAPL..i have no idea..i'm sure they have some type of banned list if you google it...

All aas and prohormones are banned in usapl

[Kaotic]

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. This product has been around for almost a decade. It is well known how suppressive it is and how people's recoveries differ with SERMs vs otc ptc. Gaspari first made it in 04, or something like that. CEL had a popular clone called h-drol. Pretty much everyone makes a clone and everyone has run this product. A lot of online blood tests to see.

With all respect to Prince, I disagree with him and think this is bad advice. While you definitely CAN use an otc product for pct, a SERM is always going to be a better idea. Plenty of guys have made the mistake of not using a SERM and didn't get quite as lucky as you did. Don't be one of them. You can always throw in the ultimate male and e-control if you like. But why not get some clomid? It's easy to get, cheap, and there are plenty of good sponsors here on rx site that sell it.*

Thanks for the info, but Im am going to have to agree with Neck on this (run e-control and ultra male rx). Reason why, I wasn't running anything gear wise (even though prohomones are considered oral steroids) And since Halo is a mild prohomrone I felt I didnt need the use for clomid. Like I said what I did worked for me and I dont speak for others, what I said earlier in this thread is shared what I did on my run with this product. But who knows if next time I get more hardcore and run extra things with Halo Ill more than likely consider what you said hell maybe even HCG etc. You get my drift. Again, Thanks for the info though bud.

[beefyfan]

TRT = testosterone replacement therapy (not sure why you're asking that?)

Using any type of PH or androgen can affect fertility.

Halo Extreme is very mild, its a PH that converts to Turinabol, it has a low androgenic ratio, you will be fine with Ultra Male Rx and E-Control Rx for PCT.

Case in point. This seems irresponsible as a recommendation for PCT. Some might think it goes overboard in "pimping" ones products for financial gain.