1st time Super-DMZ user

**GDavis** · 12-24-2011, 08:11 PM

I appreciate everybody's time and responses, however I am really looking for a response from HeavyIron and The Neck.

ON Cycle (4 weeks)
SUPER-DMZ: 1 cap twice a day (am/pm) for 30 days---12 hour half life?
Do I take with food? Preferably with fats? At least 10 grams?
Advanced Cycle Support-3 caps a day
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food

THROUGHOUT (ALL 8 weeks)
3 grams of Vit-C a day
6 grams of Fish Oil divided (am/pm)
4 500 milligram caps of Garlic Extract (spread out throughout day)
Liv52- Himalaya Labs (2 caps twice a day am/pm)
CR2 (Creatine product) by ALRI first in morning, pre workout, and post workout

PCT (Last 4 weeks)
HCGenerate by Need to Build Muscle
TEST-FORCE 2 by EPharm (3 grams a day)
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 3 caps daily
E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily (last 3 or 4 weeks)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food

I have 2 bottles of Gaspari Novedex XT on hand, any way to integrate these in for any of the above? maybe sub out for E Control Rx.

Is a SERM really necessary for Super DMZ? If so Clomid at 75mgs first two and 50 mgs last two sound about right?

Can I add an additional Natural Test Booster PCT such as ALRI Jungle Warfare Extreme. Is this overkill with the TesT-Force?

What are peoples experiences with Primordial Performance’s Testosterone Recovery stack (Topical). If so, how would that be applied to the above?

**NYJetsFan80** · 12-24-2011, 11:26 PM

Everything looks solid bro especially your PCT yes take your DMZ with food If you want you can exchange ALRI JW instead of TestForce2 thats what I would do cause I've had experience twice with TestForce2 and honestly didn't notice shit from it but I definitely did with Jungle Warfare.

From experience if you tend 2 shut down easily I'd pin 500ius of HCG twice a week starting from the begining of your cycle this is what I do now always.
I'd definitely would use a serm like Clomid 50mg twice a day for 4 weeks you can get it from Precision Peptides buy 1 get 1 free for a very cheap price.Good luck with your cycle brotha and let us know how it went and Merry Christmas 2 you and your family!!!!

**GDavis** · 12-24-2011, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by NYJetsFan80

Everything looks solid bro especially your PCT yes take your DMZ with food If you want you can exchange ALRI JW instead of TestForce2 thats what I would do cause I've had experience twice with TestForce2 and honestly didn't notice shit from it but I definitely did with Jungle Warfare.

From experience if you tend 2 shut down easily I'd pin 500ius of HCG twice a week starting from the beginning of your cycle this is what I do now always.
I'd definitely would use a serm like Clomid 50mg twice a day for 4 weeks you can get it from Precision Peptides buy 1 get 1 free for a very cheap price.Good luck with your cycle brotha and let us know how it went and Merry Christmas 2 you and your family!!!!

So you recommend 500ius of HCG twice a week from week 1 to week 8?

**NYJetsFan80** · 12-25-2011, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by GDavis

So you recommend 500ius of HCG twice a week from week 1 to week 8?

If its a 4 week cycle your doing then 500ius of HCG twice a week from the begining till the 4th week mark then for PCT check HeavyIrons protocol in the Chemical Section on top on this board.

**BC123Jm** · 12-25-2011, 12:55 AM

HI has a Q&A thread in the chem section, just in case you didnt know.

**Curt James** · 12-25-2011, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by BC123Jm

HI has a Q&A thread in the chem section, just in case you didnt know.

Truth.

[ame="http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=63306"]chem q&a with heavyiron - RX Muscle Forums[/ame]

But he's asking about an IronMagLabs product, so this wasn't necessarily the worst place to visit.

**Mr.Dedication** · 12-25-2011, 02:34 AM

I've seen a lot of people use HCGenerate and it's a really good product. I got couple of bottle myself but I haven't had the chance to use them yet.

Everything looks good and the use of HCG(different from HCGenerate) on cycle is a very good idea.

Just remember to always taper off the SERM rather than running mid to high dosage and then stopping them the next day...tapering off prevents rebound by a lot.

Edit: You don't need PP test recovery stack. I would say stick to the HCGenerate, clomid, test booster, and an AI. That would be golden!

Clmoid: 50/50/35/25 would be good...50 might be a little to high if your running low dosages of DMZ.

**GDavis** · 12-25-2011, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Dedication

I've seen a lot of people use HCGenerate and it's a really good product. I got couple of bottle myself but I haven't had the chance to use them yet.

Everything looks good and the use of HCG(different from HCGenerate) on cycle is a very good idea.

Just remember to always taper off the SERM rather than running mid to high dosage and then stopping them the next day...tapering off prevents rebound by a lot.

Edit: You don't need PP test recovery stack. I would say stick to the HCGenerate, clomid, test booster, and an AI. That would be golden!

Clmoid: 50/50/35/25 would be good...50 might be a little to high if your running low dosages of DMZ.

Which AI do you recommend?

**GDavis** · 12-25-2011, 10:00 AM

Does low dose Arimidex have a place PCT?

**Mr.Dedication** · 12-25-2011, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by GDavis

Which AI do you recommend?

I've heard Erase is the shit! Like people rave about it left and right so I would say check it that out. I know their reps and they are cool guys and all their products get amazing reviews.

Remember your taking PHs...even though it's a steroid it's not like injecting test

**The Neck** · 12-26-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by GDavis

I appreciate everybody's time and responses, however I am really looking for a response from HeavyIron and The Neck.

ON Cycle (4 weeks)
SUPER-DMZ: 1 cap twice a day (am/pm) for 30 days---12 hour half life?
Do I take with food? Preferably with fats? At least 10 grams?
Advanced Cycle Support-3 caps a day
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food

THROUGHOUT (ALL 8 weeks)
3 grams of Vit-C a day
6 grams of Fish Oil divided (am/pm)
4 500 milligram caps of Garlic Extract (spread out throughout day)
Liv52- Himalaya Labs (2 caps twice a day am/pm)
CR2 (Creatine product) by ALRI first in morning, pre workout, and post workout

PCT (Last 4 weeks)
HCGenerate by Need to Build Muscle
TEST-FORCE 2 by EPharm (3 grams a day)
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 3 caps daily
E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily (last 3 or 4 weeks)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food

I have 2 bottles of Gaspari Novedex XT on hand, any way to integrate these in for any of the above? maybe sub out for E Control Rx.

Is a SERM really necessary for Super DMZ? If so Clomid at 75mgs first two and 50 mgs last two sound about right?

Can I add an additional Natural Test Booster PCT such as ALRI Jungle Warfare Extreme. Is this overkill with the TesT-Force?

What are peoples experiences with Primordial Performance’s Testosterone Recovery stack (Topical). If so, how would that be applied to the above?

I can tell you have put some solid thought behind this cycle, which is great!!!

Yes, DMZ has a 12-14hr half & it's a good idea to dose with food or protein drink.
The Nolvadex & E-Control run concurrent will probaly dry you out to much. Would do one or the other.
DMZ is heavy duty, so a serm is always recommended. Might not hurt to look at our Ultra-Male.
You can add the additional test boosters, though I don think it's needed. Just save your money.
Don't have nay background in the PP Test Recovery stack.

**TheABomb** · 12-31-2011, 10:33 PM

You guys are wasting your hard earned money with all that shit. Just go with a SERM. That's all you need. DMZ is not an aromatizing steroid, and therefore and AI is not necessary. All it will do is dry you out and give you a nasty estrogen rebound. The HcGnerate, testforce, test up, test bomb, etc etc etc is useless when recovering from oral steroids.

**TheABomb** · 12-31-2011, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by GDavis

What are peoples experiences with Primordial Performance’s Testosterone Recovery stack (Topical). If so, how would that be applied to the above?

In my opinion, everything that company does is a scam

**TheABomb** · 12-31-2011, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Neck

I can tell you have put some solid thought behind this cycle, which is great!!!

Yes, DMZ has a 12-14hr half & it's a good idea to dose with food or protein drink.
The Nolvadex & E-Control run concurrent will probaly dry you out to much. Would do one or the other.
DMZ is heavy duty, so a serm is always recommended. Might not hurt to look at our Ultra-Male.
You can add the additional test boosters, though I don think it's needed. Just save your money.
Don't have nay background in the PP Test Recovery stack.

Exactly how I should have worded it

**GDavis** · 01-08-2012, 01:33 PM

After a long perusing of the forum world, talking to friends at the gym, and reading everybody's much appreciated replies and pms, I have settled on the following protocol, to start as of this friday. Curious what people think.

ON Cycle (4 weeks)
SUPER-DMZ: 1 cap twice a day (am/pm) for 30 days
Advanced Cycle Support-2 caps twice a day
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
Ultra Male RX-1 cap a day
500 HCG twice a week

THROUGHOUT (ALL 8 weeks)
3 grams of Vit-C a day
Super B Complex daily
6 grams of Fish Oil divided (am/pm)
4 500 milligram caps of Garlic Extract (spread out throughout day)
Liv52- Himalaya Labs (2 caps twice a day am & pm)
5 grams of Creapure first thing in morning with CR2 (Creatine product) by ALRI pre workout and post workout

PCT (Last 4 weeks)
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 3 caps spread
Ultra Male RX- 1 cap a day
ERASE - 3 caps daily (last 3 weeks)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
Oral Clomid- 50/40/30/20

What do people recommend for HCG with PCT?

thanks for everybody's help