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    Default PCT Didn't Work......next step?

    My backstory....got a TRT script of Test Cyp from my GP back in March of '11. Ran it until the vial ran out @ 100mg 2x weekly. After that, w/ no PCT at all, got some UG gear dosed at 250mg/ml. Originally intended to run it once weekly, but ended up going once every 6th day, then to once every 5th day. Patience has never been my strong suit, and I think was just they "hey asshole, what are you doing" moment I needed.

    Anyway, finished the vial mid-September, and even though I had HCG on hand, I never used it during cycle. Once cycle was over, I waited 3 wks for the esthers to clear and began Torem. That didn't seem to take (not bloodwork supported, my the boys didn't seem to boucne back to regular size). So I then ran a 4-wk clomid cycle that seemed to take (ie. my balls bounced back instantly), but a few weeks after I stopped, they retreated again.

    The Clomid cycle started around Mid-November, thus ending in Mid-December, and the re-shrinkage has been occuring for the last 3-4 weeks.

    What would be a good next step? Looking at some of the cylces proposed here, perhaps I didn't run enough Clomid? My guess is bloodwork would be the best place to start.

    Has anyone had any experience like this? My erecticle function is largely intact, but my libido/interest is 5/10 at best these days.

    Any help would be much appreciated!

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    hcg?...or get to a doc asap, listen to your body, its telling you someting

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    Get some bw asap...your e2 is prob all out of whack...take 1mg of adex ed for 7-10 days and that should solve your issue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingAdRock View Post
    My backstory....got a TRT script of Test Cyp from my GP back in March of '11. Ran it until the vial ran out @ 100mg 2x weekly. After that, w/ no PCT at all, got some UG gear dosed at 250mg/ml. Originally intended to run it once weekly, but ended up going once every 6th day, then to once every 5th day. Patience has never been my strong suit, and I think was just they "hey asshole, what are you doing" moment I needed.

    Anyway, finished the vial mid-September, and even though I had HCG on hand, I never used it during cycle. Once cycle was over, I waited 3 wks for the esthers to clear and began Torem. That didn't seem to take (not bloodwork supported, my the boys didn't seem to boucne back to regular size). So I then ran a 4-wk clomid cycle that seemed to take (ie. my balls bounced back instantly), but a few weeks after I stopped, they retreated again.

    The Clomid cycle started around Mid-November, thus ending in Mid-December, and the re-shrinkage has been occuring for the last 3-4 weeks.

    What would be a good next step? Looking at some of the cylces proposed here, perhaps I didn't run enough Clomid? My guess is bloodwork would be the best place to start.

    Has anyone had any experience like this? My erecticle function is largely intact, but my libido/interest is 5/10 at best these days.

    Any help would be much appreciated!
    loads of hcg, some clomid and an ai would be a good investment. the fact that you where responding to clomid alone is a good sign but not a guarantee.

    you where on hrt. did you already have low test? if so then id say your trt bound perma.

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    Next step is to get bloodwork so you have. Better idea of whete you stand. DO NOT take HCG now as it will only further suppress you

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    ^ How would HCG suppress him? Get blood work....

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    Like everyone else said, get bloodwork. But I don't get it, why are you using underground bullshit of you have a script, and why are you coming off anyway if your on TRT?

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    If you have a script why are you even bothering with UG?

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    The TRT script was given to me once as my doctor assumed my test was low. He got the labs back, called me and said I didnt need it. I asked him to fax me the bloodwork, and my total test, and especially my free test, were way low. I think I posted the numbers here on another forum, I'll see if I can dig them up.

    Once that script ran out, I took a little time off, then found some UG gear.

    Since it seems like the consensus is that my first step should be bloodwork, what all should I get tested?

    Thanks for the help guys.

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    Getting bw done Tuesday, but have a question.

    Can an AI and Clomid be run together from the beginning of a second PCT? I saw in HeavyIrons PCT thread that he does, but I wasn't sure if it would be any different since it's been so long since the actual cycle.

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    Post your bw results and the people here will tell you if its needed or not. Why aren't you including HCG? If you did, you would need an AI.

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    In my opinion, you should have ran an assisting serm or AI with the clomid. Clomid or clomiphene citrate is a selective serm main purpose to hormone stimulation but will be forced to act as the anti estrogen and compete for receptors taking away from the primary action. Using a secondary compound like Tamoxifen cirate that main purpose is to binding or competing for the receptor will assist the Clomiphene allowing to function the main purpose.

    I have seen running an AI was more beneficial along the clomiphene because it has less inhibition on the SHBG.

    But that's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caribeman View Post
    ^ How would HCG suppress him? Get blood work....
    Via negative feedback loop

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