Supplements now banned in the UK?

**Rawstrength** · 02-23-2012, 02:59 PM

Here is a email I got from a retailer

We have been informed by the MHRA that we need to go through our entire product catalogue and delist many products.

We will be able to fulfil all orders that come in but once products are delisted it will not be possible to buy them. We are taking legal advice on this but for now we must comply with the law even if we disagree with it.

Here is the list of ingredients we have to date which are hit. Products containing these will be removed.

Where products are known by more than one name you can assume it applies to each name. For instance 1,3 dimethylamylamine, DMAA, Methylhexaneamine etc are all names they know for the same nutrient.

Ephedra
Yohimbe
Sida Cordifolia
Milk Thistle
Coleus Forskolii
Carulluma
Evodia
Gugglesterones
Tribulus
Uva Ursi
Valerian
Hoodia
White Willow
Rauwolfia
1,3 Dimethylamylamine
Synephrine
Salix Alba
GABA
Melatonin
DHEA
Tongkat Ali
Horny Goat Weed
Epimedium
Eurycoma Longifolia

Technically ALL THE SUPPLEMENTS are banned!

There already a PETITION going on..

Does anyone knows something more about this?
Why the heck??

**~Maz~** · 02-23-2012, 03:26 PM

~ Yeah, I got the same email from Predator Nutrition ... Slightly boggled by this to be honest!! ~

**alkaline.** · 02-23-2012, 04:14 PM

wow. how long before the u.s. does the same?!

**DetroitMuscle** · 02-23-2012, 04:35 PM

Thats going to send a lot of companies for a loop. Believe it or not A LOT of companies make there $$ in Europe and Australia. That being said, to ban those ingredients is going to put a strain thats for sure. I worked for a company that was originally in Canada but opened up a Detroit location in the US. Health Canada banned a lot of thing similar to that and it cost him a pretty penny. Also their next step in Canada is to make people have to get a prescription for even natural supplements like vitamins and such.

It will be interesting to see how this folds out either way. I definitely feel bad for companies that do most of their business overseas tho!

**ABOBO** · 02-23-2012, 04:40 PM

just buy them off ebay..

**MikeS** · 02-23-2012, 04:54 PM

This is absolutely fucking ridiculous! I fucking hate government...nothing but a bunch of fat fucking retards!!! What kind of world do we live in where you can fucking ruin your life with alcohol, tobacco, paracetamol and other bullshit stuff but you cant improve your health with natural stuff like melatonin and valerian?? I really fucking hope this creates a MASSIVE black market for all this stuff. They are obviously not going to back track and stop this now...fucking great. First they fuck up the food chain now they take away all the supplements!

FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!

/end rant

**Rambo2** · 02-23-2012, 05:04 PM

this stuff REALLY pisses me off

**adpolice** · 02-23-2012, 05:21 PM

In general it pisses me off that ''someone'' else makes the decision about what i can or not use...The new world order arrives,under the joke of ''democracy''..

**BigGreen1** · 02-23-2012, 05:38 PM

milk thistle is now apparently 'medicinal' wtf:S
it pisses me off, not like milk thistle will harm! and thats just one of the things on the list!
should just have warning signs on them IF THEY CAN CAUSE HARM which most dont.
why is smoking not banned if these ingredients are. fucking men in suits that know fuck all about bodybuilding thats duing this!!

**BigGreen1** · 02-23-2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by MikeS

This is absolutely fucking ridiculous! I fucking hate government...nothing but a bunch of fat fucking retards!!! What kind of world do we live in where you can fucking ruin your life with alcohol, tobacco, paracetamol and other bullshit stuff but you cant improve your health with natural stuff like melatonin and valerian?? I really fucking hope this creates a MASSIVE black market for all this stuff. They are obviously not going to back track and stop this now...fucking great. First they fuck up the food chain now they take away all the supplements!

FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!

/end rant

well said

**lartinos** · 02-23-2012, 05:58 PM

Them banning this stuff will only boost the US economy I'm sure. I don't think it would fly with people here in the US if we had to all of a sudden close every GNC, vitamin shoppe etc..
People like these stores and their supplements.

**Friendly Milkshake** · 02-23-2012, 08:02 PM

uva ursi? why would they ban prostate support?

there is going to be many upset prostates in the UK

**~Maz~** · 02-23-2012, 08:28 PM

~ I knew that holding the Olympics in the UK was going to be a bad idea!!

It has to be a lot of nonsense, Valerian for one is in most over the counter sleep aids that I can buy at my local Tesco Supermarket!! The only answer I can think of is that someone is trying to create a panic buy in sup users!! ~

**Curt James** · 02-23-2012, 08:37 PM

Insanity.

**Curt James** · 02-23-2012, 08:44 PM

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/

**Curt James** · 02-23-2012, 08:49 PM

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate...ucts/index.htm

And this has been in the pipeline for some time?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ma...erbal-remedies

**DanDeats** · 02-24-2012, 01:32 AM

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/13372

If you are based in the UK, please sign this e-petition!

**MikeS** · 02-24-2012, 04:17 AM

This is the same organisation that gave the "ok" for prozac to be given to children!!!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...sk-481506.html

Their very name suggests corruptions: Medicine and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency!

There is NOTHING healthy about giving kids prozac, yet, if you want to take valerian because it helps you relax then that shouldn't be allowed.

How long before I've got to argue with my doctor to get 1000mg vitamin C capsules? How long before I can't buy vitamin D freely, despite all the research showing it is healthy and safe, yet I can have corticosteroids, steroid creams, antibiotics and other stuff that can/will damage my health?

It really makes me wonder. The people making these things happen are likely doing so for monetary gain. Don't they EVER think "what kind of world am I leaving to my kids"? I'm sure if they did they would commit suicide in shame.

**MikeS** · 02-24-2012, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Curt James

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/

Need to spread rep.

**MikeS** · 02-24-2012, 04:37 AM

PROOF the MHRA is CORRUPT!

In the BMJ, Ben Goldacre provides a brief summary of the main problems associated with drug companies sponsoring most of the research (1). He clearly explains how doctors can be misled by pharmaceutical companies not publishing the negative research finding associated with their drugs. He also describes how these companies can publish the same positive study several times (each in a slightly different way but using the same data) – the positive results from one trial then create the impression that several different positive studies have been done.

In the same BMJ article, in order to counter these arguments, Vincent Lawton provides a case for drug companies being in the best position to do the research (2).

Vincent Lawton admits that the current system is not perfect, but goes on to vaguely suggest that things will get better by drug companies regulating themselves better. He also suggests that research being done by drug companies leads to greater innovation.

This greater innovation, in my view, is difficult to accept. It is well known that the pharmaceutical industry is trying to deal with a crisis – in recent years there have been a distinct lack of innovate drugs. A large number of commentators have raised this issue. For example, the statement below is taken from an official journal of the Canadian College of Family Physicians:

“Most “new” products brought to market since the 1990s have not substantially improved on the medical benefits provided by older, less costly drugs whose risks were well known. These new products are “me-too” drugs.....Most do not represent genuine therapeutic advances or meet those needs perceived by family physicians. They do, however, increase drug consumption. Technologic innovation does not equal therapeutic progress (3). “

This lack of meaningful innovation has led to drug companies having to get more people to take existing drugs. They do this by creating a society of the worried-well and by making people fear suggested risk factors (like cholesterol).

So who is Vincent Lawton? You might think that he works for a large pharmaceutical company. No, he is actually an executive director of the MHRA – the UK organisation that decides whether or not drugs should be approved for use.
http://www.29billion.com/journal/tag/medical-corruption

So the executive director of the MHRA, the organisation that doesn't want you to be able to take natural supplements, thinks its absolutely fine that the drugs industry only reports positive things from its research, publishes the same research multiple times to create the illusion of "confirmed findings" and creates dependence!

How can this guy sleep at night? I'm pretty sure if the supplement industry started creating its own, falsified research, the government would quickly clamp down.

**kindom-muscle** · 02-24-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by MikeS

This is absolutely fucking ridiculous! I fucking hate government...nothing but a bunch of fat fucking retards!!! What kind of world do we live in where you can fucking ruin your life with alcohol, tobacco, paracetamol and other bullshit stuff but you cant improve your health with natural stuff like melatonin and valerian?? I really fucking hope this creates a MASSIVE black market for all this stuff. They are obviously not going to back track and stop this now...fucking great. First they fuck up the food chain now they take away all the supplements!

FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!

/end rant

well said dude,complete bullshit. Same thing is happeneing in ireland too where they give out antibiotics for someone with a cold or flu,cunts!

**showstopper88** · 02-24-2012, 09:08 AM

Every government is becoming more and more strict. The US has to deal with John McCain and others that want to shit down vit shoppe and gnc and other mom and pop places. They're all a bunch of fucktards

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**showstopper88** · 02-24-2012, 09:15 AM

And of course most people don't know that steroids not even supplements, were brought on by the government when the Russians in the Olympics where taking them then the US caught wind and started taking themselves to beat the Russians in the weight lifting(not the full story, but close to it). If I was in the govt. I'd have every soldier on certain supps and run a low to moderate dose of test

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**bigchamp89** · 02-24-2012, 09:29 AM

wow, is AAS still legal in the UK... but MELATONIN isnt? im sure the US will be the next to do something as stupid as this though

**Provo82** · 02-24-2012, 09:57 AM

this is just insane white willow is aspirin!

**DanDeats** · 02-24-2012, 11:26 AM

Sign the e-petition! Or am I being stupid assuming it will do any good?!

**Prince** · 02-24-2012, 11:32 AM

I am surprised multi-vitamins are not listed? Absolutely ridiculous, Milk Thistle, Tongkat Ali, Hoodia, White Willow...LOL, yea those are dangerous herbs!

**ebfitness** · 02-24-2012, 01:33 PM

Holy shit! If I didn't have my daily intake of melatonin and milk thistle, I'd be battling insomnia as my liver melted!

**MikeS** · 02-24-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by ebfitness

Holy shit! If I didn't have my daily intake of melatonin and milk thistle, I'd be battling insomnia as my liver melted!

This is the thing right. You can take the overpriced drugs along with their side effects yet you cannot use natural alternatives!

I have issues with frequent urination at night and thus don't sleep well. My doctor wanted to give me a medication that "worked" but was likely to cause impodence. I'm 27! I currently take saw palmetto + melatonin and I'm fine. I sleep well and my life is great - without the impodence. I'd rather walk into the MHRA offices with an uzi and take out as many of those scum bags as I can than be forced to be dependent on over priced, side effect laden DRUGS when I know natural alternatives exist. Harsh maybe, but that's how I feel.

**MikeS** · 02-24-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by DanDeats

Sign the e-petition! Or am I being stupid assuming it will do any good?!

I signed it and hope others have too.

**White Goodman** · 02-26-2012, 07:34 PM

Banning natural remedies/supplements = BIG $$$ for Big Pharma. I can't believe it hasn't happened in the U.S. at this level yet. Big Pharma has all the politicians, R's and D's, in their back pocket.

**bigchamp89** · 02-27-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by White Goodman

Banning natural remedies/supplements = BIG $$$ for Big Pharma. I can't believe it hasn't happened in the U.S. at this level yet. Big Pharma has all the politicians, R's and D's, in their back pocket.

agreed, im sure we are soon to follow

**OneWideBack** · 02-27-2012, 05:37 PM

This absolutely sux! I use to buy all my supps from PredaturNutrition in UK because most of the supps are already banned in Denmark....

**MikeS** · 02-28-2012, 04:17 AM

fuck 'em. Lets all set up "underground black market" labs. We'll all get rich as fuck selling things like valerian, high strength vitamin C and melatonin. We'll literally be making peoples lives BETTER yet considered CRIMINALS by government. What a joke.

**Rawstrength** · 03-05-2012, 08:17 AM

They have been trying to implement something like this in the states for some time now. It has been voted on and discussed several times IIRC but just hasnt passed yet. With the UK passing it I am sure we are not too far behind from doing the same.. Sigh

**~Maz~** · 03-05-2012, 04:36 PM

~ This whole thing was bad enough but now medicine watchdogs are in the process of removing GRIPE WATER from the market ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-dries-up.html

... what the hell is the next thing ... Grapefruit?? It can be harmful if taken when on certain meds, bloody stupid!! ~

**MikeS** · 03-06-2012, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by ~Maz~

~ This whole thing was bad enough but now medicine watchdogs are in the process of removing GRIPE WATER from the market ...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-dries-up.html

... what the hell is the next thing ... Grapefruit?? It can be harmful if taken when on certain meds, bloody stupid!! ~

Well maybe we should write to the watchdog and make them aware that cancer tumours need 2 things to proliferate and grow: air and glucose. In fact recent research has shown that by limiting the tumour's dependence on aerobic glycolysis you may be able to halt the progression of certain cancers. The researcher's did this with a low carb diet...but why not attack it from both ends and restrict air consumption too?

/government BS logic