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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple-H_2005 View Post
    The only things that matter are consistency and not being a weak little bitch that cheats on their diet.

    Everything else is picking pepper out of gnat shit...
    great anaolgy.

    I find fasted cardio a great way to start the day mentally, but results wise i dont think the timing would create a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple-H_2005 View Post
    The only things that matter are consistency and not being a weak little bitch that cheats on their diet.

    Everything else is picking pepper out of gnat shit...
    I think I will write that over my bathroom mirror
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple-H_2005 View Post
    The only things that matter are consistency and not being a weak little bitch that cheats on their diet.

    Everything else is picking pepper out of gnat shit...
    Consistency is the most important thing. As far as "fasted", you're "fasted" in the AM because your body has already metabolized most of the food from your last meal, and equivalently, you're "fasted" if you ate, then trained (i.e. used all your readily available energy sources), and then do cardio. Kinda the same diff.
    "The only way you can hurt the body is not use it. Inactivity is the killer and, remember, it's never too late."
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    I think it also depends on the intensity of the Cardio ( for me anyway). When I am doing lower intensity Cardio , I feel fasted is preferable when I am doing high intensity Cardio I like to have a meal in me.

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    I love and prefer fasted cardio in the AM, but I don't think it makes a difference as far as results. Its just more convenient and I prefer doing it fasted

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    Remember if your getting ready to compete and not just look good at the pool POSE POSE POSE!!!! Something many ppl forget and then look like new born retarded giraffes on stage! If your within 2 months of a show you should pose after your cardio AND weights to get used to squeezing everything even when your depleted.

    At 2 months out from a show I do 20 min cardio (walking on treadmill) then pose for 10-15 min, going over quarter turn and mandatory's over and over and over. If your hitting your poses hard and holding them you'll be sweating your ass off and wont need as much cardio and still get harder every day!

    I prefer to do the cardio/pose in the AM but I dont think it matters when you do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritch View Post
    I like diggy's response. Especially about having to sweat up 2 pairs of clothes. Also if you don't have any cardio equipment, then you have to travel to the gym, and get back which adds up by the end of the day, is it realistic to do that week in week out?
    5x a wk two a days. I need to buy a treadmill already.
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    You know, they make these things called streets. Alot like a treadmill, and you generally don't have to travel far from your home to utilize this fascinating piece of equipment.

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    Oh! I heard about those! Comprised of sidewalks, landscaping and structures correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss06 View Post
    Oh! I heard about those! Comprised of sidewalks, landscaping and structures correct?
    Yes, you've seen them too? And here I am thinking I'm letting people in on a big secret.

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    Am fasted

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    Quote Originally Posted by squatilupuke View Post
    Yes, you've seen them too? And here I am thinking I'm letting people in on a big secret.

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    Diggy's response was really well i like that.

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    I would say my best success is right after a workout session. Most people will say you shouldn't do a fasted session, should have at least 25g/protein 30min prior to early morning workouts. I personally believe that being carb depleted doing cardio that post workout is the best time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggy View Post
    You wont get a straight answer to be honest. Aceto and Dave both like fasted cardio I believe. Layne Norton did a study and said it doesnt make a difference and eating may actually help.

    Some people like a small amount of protein 1st. Id just advise you to experiment and see what works for you. Ive trained and done cardio fasted in the morning and made gains.
    Well said.

    Layne on the subject:

    " new article on fasted cardio appearing in the Strength and Conditioning Journal by Brad Schoenfeld, MSc, CSCS

    I put the full text below for those who are interested. For those that are lazy to read the whole thing here are the cliffs:

    -research has shown no difference in total fat loss between subjects doing fasted cardio and those doing cardio after eating.

    -fat burning consists of 1) liberating fatty acids from adipose tissue through lipolysis and then transport of those fatty acids to other tissues like muscle, liver, heart where they are then 2) oxidized for energy. When you eat before cardio you reduce lipolysis but it ends up not making a difference because lipolysis is NOT the rate limiting step of fat loss when it comes to cardio, it is oxidation that is rate limiting so you end up oxidizing the same amount

    -you may burn MORE fat over a 24 hour period when you eat beforehand because there is a GREATER thermogenic response to cardio as opposed to eating fasted

    -Lemon et al. demonstrated nitrogen losses were DOUBLED when you train fasted. Fantastic for maintaining muscle in a caloric deficit... NOT

    -not eating before cardio will reduce training intensity and means you will burn less calories during cardio because you won't have as much energy.
    "

    Link:
    http://forum.simplyshredded.com/topi...fasted-cardio/

    Alan on the subject:

    http://alanaragon.com/myths-under-th...ed-cardio.html
    http://alanaragon.com/myths-under-th...ed-cardio.html
    http://alanaragon.com/myths-under-th...rthoughts.html


    Summing Up the Research Findings

    • In acute trials, fat oxidation during exercise tends to be higher in low-intensity treatments, but postexercise fat oxidation and/or energy expenditure tends to be higher in high-intensity treatments.
    • Fed subjects consistently experience a greater thermic effect postexercise in both intensity ranges.
    • In 24-hr trials, there is no difference in fat oxidation between the 2 types, pointing to a delayed rise in fat oxidation in the high-intensity groups which evens out the field.
    • In long-term studies, both linear high-intensity and HIIT training is superior to lower intensities on the whole for maintaining and/or increasing cardiovascular fitness & lean mass, and are at least as effective, and according to some research, far better at reducing bodyfat.

    • At low intensities (25-50% VO2 max), carbs during exercise reduce fat oxidation compared to fasted trainees.
    • At moderate intensities (63-68% VO2 max) carbs during exercise may reduce fat oxidation in untrained subjects, but do not reduce fat oxidation in trained subjects for at least the first 80-120 minutes of exercise.
    • Carbohydrate during exercise spares liver glycogen, which is among the most critical factors for anticatabolism during hypocaloric & other conditions of metabolic stress. This protective hepatic effect is absent in fasted cardio.
    • At the established intensity level of peak fat oxidation (~63% VO2 max), carbohydrate increases performance without any suppression of fat oxidation in trained subjects.

    I see the bottom line like this.. Do the type you have a personal preference for, and also respect your physical limits. HIIT is quicker but riskier. LISS is safer but takes twice as long to accomplish the same thing. Again, do what you prefer & can tolerate, but do NOT make the mistake of assuming that LISS burns more fat. That's misunderstanding the physiology of the matter.

    I’ll end off by challenging you to diligently review the facts before blindly latching onto the myths.

    Personal preference, but research does show that is does not really hold benefit.
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