Friend died, gear related?

**.!.** · 03-16-2012, 04:12 PM

a friend of mine was just found dead in his apartment last night. cause of death is unknown at this time. Weeks ago he came into the gym and showed me his right side of his leg. he said few days before he took a shot high up on his glute. no pain but woke up in the am completely purple at the inj site, up his lower back and side and also into his calve/ankle area, the quad itself was not discolored from what i remember. he feels he took the shot in the wrong place, bled inside and since he laid down that night on his right side, the blood "pooled" now few weeks later his is dead. anyone ever heard of anything like this happening?

ive done shots before where it'll leave a bruise but not turn the whole side of my body purple

**Ryan Bracewell** · 03-16-2012, 04:17 PM

sorry for your lose man. Never heard of that kind of bruising/blood lose from a glute shot. Heard many stories of hitting a nerve if you go too high up on the glute.

As for its relation to his death, I would say the odds would put it as some part of the reason he died given the time correlation. Not sure what he could have hit in the upper glute, but it could have led to some kind of blood clot that caused a heart attack or stroke.

**KTTraining** · 03-16-2012, 04:53 PM

I'm sorry to hear about that .. The reaction you describe is similar to an infection or abcess . Assuming he was relatively healthy it could be related . You'll know soon .

**GENESIS** · 03-16-2012, 05:14 PM

"Show me the bodies!"- John Romano.

Sorry for your loss.

**APK** · 03-16-2012, 06:53 PM

There could be a chance that he injected
something besides anabolic, maybe fake stuff

**retwa** · 03-16-2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan Bracewell

As for its relation to his death, I would say the odds would put it as some part of the reason he died given the time correlation. Not sure what he could have hit in the upper glute, but it could have led to some kind of blood clot that caused a heart attack or stroke.

Yea, could have injected into a blood vessel and caused some kind of clot or blockage...enough oil could possibly do that, although it doesn't seem likely that there would be a delay of a few weeks for that end result.

Maybe he somehow managed to damage a major blood vessel enough while injecting to where there was some serious internal bleeding that wasn't able to be repaired on its own.

**LSMUSCL81a** · 03-16-2012, 07:05 PM

goodness, condoleces...sounds kinda like a clot situation as stated earlier

**AVBG** · 03-16-2012, 08:01 PM

Sad to hear about your loss. I wouldn't be drawing a link to the shot without some type of medical opinion backing it up.

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**Curt James** · 03-16-2012, 08:11 PM

Codolences on the loss of your friend. Would be interested to learn the cause of his death.

**MattyH7688** · 03-16-2012, 08:23 PM

Sorry to hear about your loss... kinda scary to hear this

**bigchamp89** · 03-16-2012, 10:53 PM

thats scary... good reason not to buy gear from some bro at the gym... always make sure you know who and what you are dealing with

**Bryan Hildebrand** · 03-16-2012, 10:58 PM

it certainly sounds plausible to be a deep vein thrombosis caused by a vessel injury when he injected himself. or he could hae been using other products besides AAS that you are unaware of. or he could have had an infection that became systemic and caused a rapid blood infection... or... keep us UTD as to what the autopsy says. either way, sorry for your loss.

**lartinos** · 03-17-2012, 01:59 AM

Sorry to hear man

**WOLFGANG** · 03-17-2012, 04:26 AM

poor capillary perfusion due to internal bleeding

**BigJD69** · 03-17-2012, 10:06 AM

SORRY to hear that. I do quad injections all the time and the day after it will be sore but I almost never bruise. Keep us posted I am interested to hear the cause.
How old was he?

**KBigz81** · 03-17-2012, 12:22 PM

I wonder if he had something else going on. Maybe some underlying disease that would cause his immune system to fail. If he got an infection from the injection his body could have not been able to fight it off. Regardless they will find out in the autopsy. So sorry for your loss.

**sandi_stuart** · 03-17-2012, 12:32 PM

I would suspect an oil embolism from injecting oil-based gear. He probably injected it directly into the deep venous system of the legs by mistake. My condolences to you and his family.

**retwa** · 03-17-2012, 01:40 PM

I have no real idea what caused this guy's death, but, any incident like this should be a reminder to us all:

Use human grade gear if at all possible, new sterile syringes and needles for each injection, proper injecting technique (sanitize the vial or amp and the injection site, and make sure to aspirate), and last but not least, if you notice something out of the ordinary, get yourself to the ER and get treated before it kills you.

**TheABomb** · 03-17-2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

I have no real idea what caused this guy's death, but, any incident like this should be a reminder to us all:

Use human grade gear if at all possible, new sterile syringes and needles for each injection, proper injecting technique (sanitize the vial or amp and the injection site, and make sure to aspirate), and last but not least, if you notice something out of the ordinary, get yourself to the ER and get treated before it kills you.

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reps

**joe d** · 03-17-2012, 02:46 PM

sorry to hear. i agree about internal bleeding or clot being a possibility

**supbro!** · 03-17-2012, 03:53 PM

Sorry for your loss. I had a buddy die about 8 years back from an embolism in his brain . Can't say for certain it was caused by gear,but you never know. I suffered a heart attack back in august of last year and although i was diagnosed w a very rare heart condition years back my cardiologist tells me that it wascaused by gear (trenbolone) . Be well.

**bigchamp89** · 03-17-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by sandi_stuart

I would suspect an oil embolism from injecting oil-based gear. He probably injected it directly into the deep venous system of the legs by mistake. My condolences to you and his family.

jesus, i thought once you go IM you are safe from any veins, didnt know that was possible

**sandi_stuart** · 03-17-2012, 05:10 PM

This is why nurses withdraw the syringe before injecting ...they want to be sure they are not in a vessel. Anyway, as a physician, this is just my opinion based on the limited information provided. Very sad story.

**KTTraining** · 03-17-2012, 05:54 PM

Sandy, you are a M. D.? Since most people, especially in years past before internet forums, do not know or use proper intramuscular methods I would think the Thrombosis theory would happen a lot more often..like weekly and we would be hearing about it all the time. Especially considering the injection was given to the Glute ..a very common area . The results will tell the truth but like I mentioned , if it is related to a steroid injection at all, it seems infection would be the most reasonable explanation based on the info given .

**sandi_stuart** · 03-17-2012, 06:08 PM

Yes, I am board certified in emergency medicine

in my spare time, I quarter turn and back handspring across the IFBB stage

It is really not that hard to do an IM injection. But sometimes? Especially when one is dealing with oil-based medications? It can happen. It is pretty rare but within the realm of possibility

**KTTraining** · 03-17-2012, 06:15 PM

That's awesome... congrats on getting through that extensive schooling and still being motivated enough to compete !!

**Triple-H_2005** · 03-17-2012, 07:06 PM

Seems like I remember Milos having a really bad scare a few years back from trying to spot-inject synthol into his biceps and accidentally injecting into a vein.

Whatever the case, I'm sorry for the unnamed person's death. I wonder why he didn't go to the doctor when he saw the unusual bruising over a quarter of his body?

**Aaron Singerman** · 03-17-2012, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by sandi_stuart

Yes, I am board certified in emergency medicine

in my spare time, I quarter turn and back handspring across the IFBB stage

It is really not that hard to do an IM injection. But sometimes? Especially when one is dealing with oil-based medications? It can happen. It is pretty rare but within the realm of possibility

More Sandi on RX! Smart chick here folks.

**KTTraining** · 03-17-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Triple-H_2005

Seems like I remember Milos having a really bad scare a few years back from trying to spot-inject synthol into his biceps and accidentally injecting into a vein.

Whatever the case, I'm sorry for the unnamed person's death. I wonder why he didn't go to the doctor when he saw the unusual bruising over a quarter of his body?

I remember that too . As you know , the bicep is a lot different than the glute . Before spot injection with oils became common I never heard of clots as a direct result of an injection. I heard of them as a result of steroid use in general creating "hughes syndrom" , but not a specific Glute injection. Believe it or not , so many guys I knew never even aspirated glute injections .

However, many guys I knew got infections from bad or underground steroids ...winstrol being most common . One guy almost had his arm amputated and was in the hospital with antibiotics for a pretty long time .

**KTTraining** · 03-17-2012, 07:51 PM

To be more accurate , since an MD is here lol, prolonged use of steroids or even high dose steroids can cause 'sticky blood'. Lots of Bodybuilders that have heart attacks probably have platelet levels way too high to be healthy . In that sense I've heard of bodybuilders forming clots , but not a single injection in the glute . It will be interesting to see if it had anything to do with his death . RIP .

**sandi_stuart** · 03-17-2012, 08:03 PM

Thanks KT. And hi Aaron!

**bigchamp89** · 03-17-2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by sandi_stuart

This is why nurses withdraw the syringe before injecting ...they want to be sure they are not in a vessel. Anyway, as a physician, this is just my opinion based on the limited information provided. Very sad story.

oh ok so if u aspirate ur g2g then

**retwa** · 03-17-2012, 11:01 PM

It would probably take a lot of oil injected directly into a blood vessel to cause an issue like this...pretty rare, but it can happen.

**toxic Avenger** · 03-17-2012, 11:51 PM

This is pretty awful. Sounds like it could be a clot to me. Worst part is it could happen to any one of use if it was a thrombsis induced by injection.