Proof that bodybuilding IS all about drugs

**Hamish&Andy** · 03-20-2012, 09:47 PM

IFBB Pro Tamer El Guindy

August 2011
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December 2011
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**Big Baldwin** · 03-20-2012, 10:04 PM

I like how you decided to pic the worst photo of him to put up. How can you blame it on drug use? You have no idea how much he was taking or is taking now. Maybe he just didn't want to pursue bodybuilding any further after winning his pro card. He doesn't appear to be dieting, ever consider that might have an impact? This thread was pointless.

**Triple-H_2005** · 03-20-2012, 10:08 PM

Proof that cats hate water...

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What's your point?

**hankdiesel** · 03-20-2012, 10:33 PM

Tell us how those pics prove that.

**nsp** · 03-20-2012, 10:37 PM

meeehhh. Seems about every couple months or so someone posts a thread like this. Speaking of which, we're about due for another "whatever happened to vic richards" thread.

**juiceinator3000** · 03-20-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by nsp

meeehhh. Seems about every couple months or so someone posts a thread like this. Speaking of which, we're about due for another "whatever happened to vic richards" thread.

Fuckin right we are. Whatever happened to him? Lol

**MattyH7688** · 03-20-2012, 10:43 PM

It is clear in that pic. You can always tell the moderate users and big time users once they go off. I know two VERY good bodybuilders who went off for extended periods of times, and they didn't lose much size at all to me. Of course they thought they did, but it wasn't really noticeable like that pic with Tamer.

**Dre23** · 03-20-2012, 10:46 PM

Of course I have NO IDEA what he was on in the first pic, but his overall size doesn't appear to have changed that much between the first and 2nd pic.

Now of course his body composition changed dramatically between the two, but this is not the 'worst' on/off case that I've seen.

**Dre23** · 03-20-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by MattyH7688

It is clear in that pic. You can always tell the moderate users and big time users once they go off. I know two VERY good bodybuilders who went off for extended periods of times, and they didn't lose much size at all to me. Of course they thought they did, but it wasn't really noticeable like that pic with Tamer.

Really...you think? (being serious, not sarcastic).

I guess that I don't really have an eye for this then. If in the bottom pic he was just as tan, and just as lean, I think he'd look not too far off from the top pic. I'm not seeing a huge mass difference between on/off like we've seen with peeps like Jean Pierre Fuxs or some of the other retried pros.

**Barrett** · 03-20-2012, 11:01 PM

I won't disagree with this. Everyone always says its "genetics, nutrition, training AND drugs" but the biggest part of the equation is drugs and genetics. For sure. No questions about it.

**Kaotic** · 03-20-2012, 11:08 PM

Was wondering what Tamer plan was, I wouldnt say too much of a bad comprrision. Although he does look and is smaller in the 2nd pic, but also looks healthy. He did go pro, Best wishes to Tamer on whatever he does.

**Big Baldwin** · 03-20-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Kaotic

Was wondering what Tamer plan was, I wouldnt say too much of a bad comprrision. Although he does look and is smaller in the 2nd pic, but also looks healthy. He did go pro, Best wishes to Tamer on whatever he does.

I actually talked to him at his photoshoot after the USAs and he said he was planning on relaxing for awhile. That photo is a bad angle, here is a more appropriate one from the same day:

**MattyH7688** · 03-20-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by dre23

Really...you think? (being serious, not sarcastic).

I guess that I don't really have an eye for this then. If in the bottom pic he was just as tan, and just as lean, I think he'd look not too far off from the top pic. I'm not seeing a huge mass difference between on/off like we've seen with peeps like Jean Pierre Fuxs or some of the other retried pros.

The two guys I know are on the very much same level as Tamer, and they still look very big when they went off completely. Yes, they did lose a little bit of fullness and size, but they still looked like their normal offseason selves just a tad smaller. Of course both these guys still trained hard and consistently and never let up on the food and neither was an "abuser". Unless Tamer was injured or just stop lifting and eating then that is a very big difference from what I am use to seeing when good bodybuilders go off. Id be willing to bet he is an "extreme responder". He literally looks like a cross fit guy, coming down from one of the best LHWs in the USA.

**Waylon** · 03-20-2012, 11:41 PM

Crossfit Guy? Come on now, the guy looks like he weighs his contest weight just not in contest condition. Even if he's just over 200 thats still more than 98% of crossfit people. Clearly he's taking a break and I bet you when Tamer feels like coming back his system will respond. I think this is proof that bodybuilding isn't all about the drugs and you don't have to kill yourself (pharmaceutically) in the off-season to achieve the elite status in bodybuilding of IFBB pro, but yes of course they play an important part. I really can't see him doing Kipping pullups!

**Friendly Milkshake** · 03-20-2012, 11:50 PM

drugs are apart of this sport like virtually every sport is...especially now these days.

just because he got smaller doesn't mean it's all about drugs. im sure he's not eating soo much food. and depending on your body type..you can shrink or mantain when meal frequency and caloric intake is reduced.

this thread is just dumb....how'd did you find these pictures? you like them sweaty mushroom tips boy?