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    Default Women and Testosterone

    How do you feel about the use of testosterone in women's bodybuilding?
    Anyone willing to share personal experiences/observations?

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    as i say...theres use and abuse. little can go a long way.
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    Can I ask a question? This might be more appropriate for the womens steriod thread but I'll ask anyway.

    Are all aas male hormones? Meaning testosterone? So what's the difference between testosterone and say anavar or deca or any other that's not called test. Isn't it all testosterone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle View Post
    Can I ask a question? This might be more appropriate for the womens steriod thread but I'll ask anyway.

    Are all aas male hormones? Meaning testosterone? So what's the difference between testosterone and say anavar or deca or any other that's not called test. Isn't it all testosterone?
    What most people think of as anabolic steroids are derivatives of one of three forms of androgens, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and androstendione.

    The various steroids just have an additional 'tail' or R group, generally to prevent it from being metabolised as quickly, or missing the first pass through the liver (the C17-alkylated oral steroids).

    However, oestrogen is also anabolic. It is scientific fact that cattle put on far more muscle when given tren and oestrogen implants than just oestrogen alone.

    Most male BBers also know that if they use too many oestrogen inhibitors, they minimise their gains.

    The conversion of the sex steroids, testosterone and oestrogen is also a reversible reaction, meaning that one can become the other.


    It is quite amazing when you see how they (the sex hormones and precursors) are all very structurally similar.

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    Tatyana, sweetie, I know you think you just answered my question but I have no clue what you just said. Can you simplify more?

    Are all aas some form of testosterone? And if so what makes the ones not labeled test different from the ones that are test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle View Post
    Are all aas some form of testosterone?
    No.

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    So if a woman is using anavar or primo or winny she's NOT putting male hormones into her body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    as i say...theres use and abuse. little can go a long way.
    I agree with this. ...and by a little, I mean a very little - but again, effects of sides and gains are so dependent on the woman taking the compound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle View Post
    Tatyana, sweetie, I know you think you just answered my question but I have no clue what you just said. Can you simplify more?

    Are all aas some form of testosterone? And if so what makes the ones not labeled test different from the ones that are test?
    Yes, they are all forms of testosterone.

    Testosterone is one of the 'male' androgens. The three major androgens are testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and androstendione.

    All synthesised anabolic steroids are based off one of the three androgens, it is sort of like having a basic design for a car and then adding extras to make them go faster or go further, not break down as quickly as the original car (testosterone).

    They give new names to the synthesised steroids if they have a different chemical structure, sort of like calling it a corvette or a corvette 211, or a corvette 211 GT.

    Is that better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic View Post
    No.
    Elaborate on that please.

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    So what makes it a big deal to go from anavar, primo or winny to test? I guess I'm not understanding the difference between anavar/primo/etc, (which is test) and the stuff labeled test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyMuscle View Post
    So what makes it a big deal to go from anavar, primo or winny to test? I guess I'm not understanding the difference between anavar/primo/etc, (which is test) and the stuff labeled test.

    The issue with testosterone is that it will aromatise to dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

    DHT is something like 20-40 (sorry going from my memory) times as potent as testosterone.

    Anavar does not aromatise, which makes it less androgenic.

    Primo does not aromatise either.

    Winny is a derivative of DHT, but not as potent.

    If you took test suspension, it has a really short half life, so I don't think it would apply, however all the other testosterones, cyp, enanthate etc, have a long or short tail attached to them to avoid being broken down in the liver so they have a longer half life than test.

    I don't really know the differences between the different types of test off the top of my head.

    I did make a boo boo with the three androgens though, androstendione is not the third anabolic derivative, it is nandrolone.
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    Bingo! Lightbulb is on! I get it now. Thanks, Tats!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatyana View Post
    Elaborate on that please.
    Your answer was too technical and my answer was obviously too brief.

    I was just quoting John Romano from his recent interview on HMR where he points oot that most people think all AASs are derived from testosterone whereas some are derived from androstendione or nandrolone or some other thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic View Post
    Your answer was too technical and my answer was obviously too brief.

    I was just quoting John Romano from his recent interview on HMR where he points oot that most people think all AASs are derived from testosterone whereas some are derived from androstendione or nandrolone or some other thing.


    For this thread, women and testosterone, for the most part, women are putting a derivative of testosterone in their bodies when they take an anabolic steroid.

    It is a more elaborate discussion if they are taking test cyp, test enanthate, test prop, or test suspension specifically.

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