Help for My Voice!

[JuicyLilMonster]

I wanted to get advice about my voice. Three years ago, I did my first cycle of winstrol (oral tablets), I was at 15 mgs a day, but I was also taking a low-dose contraceptive (ortho tricylen-lo). My first cycle was about 8-10 weeks. I experienced minimal side effects (enlarged clit, mild chest and back acne) all of which stopped shortly after I stopped taking it. I was on point with my diet, training and cardio, and loved the way that winny got me cut!

I decided several months later to do another cycle, but this time did not take birth control because while the previous cycle really shredded me up, I felt I was holding a little water from the contraceptive. This time I did a 12 week cycle, same tablets, same dosage. About 3/4 into the cycle, I noticed that my voice was weird, it was almost as if I was losing my voice. It would be raspy, go in and out, and when I tried to yel, it would crack; at times it sounded like I had laryngitis. At first I didn't even think it was winny that was doing this to me because I was on an extended vacation and a lot of the places I went were very loud, so I was shouting all the time. It was brought to my attention that it was probably the winny making the changes to my voice but I didn't stop because I only had a couple weeks left and I didn't think it would be a problem. I thought my voice would go back to normal after my cycle was finished...

I was really turned-off after that and I didn't want to try anything else for a while; I only took clen & cyx3 tablets… After two years, I got brave enough to try anavar; which I also loved! I took 10-20mgs per day in tablet form. I had very minimal side effects with that, the same as the first cycle of winny (enlarged clit, mild chest & back acne), but again, sides went away after I was done using var (I did an 8 week cycle of var tablets). Also, I wasn't on birth control while taking var, just FYI...

Needless to say, after a good experience with var, I wanted to try something else to try and gain a little size... So I tried primo; which was promoted as "having even less side effects than var for a woman." WRONG! This made my voice worse!!! I was taking one shot per week at 100mgs. I stopped after just 6 weeks, hoping that the damage would be undone, but it hasn't. Also my clit has not gone back down to normal size and I have been off the primo for 8 weeks now. My voice tone is lower and it cracks when I shout or yell and when I talk to babies, I have to actually think about making a fake high voice so it doesn't crack.

I'm really upset about it because I LOVED the size and strength I gained with Primo, I wish I could keep doing it, but I am not trying to sound like a man. I am a small, feminine girl and I would like my voice to get as closely back to normal as possible. I used to be able to sing (before the first voice mishap with winny); not that I was going to be the next American Idol or anything, but I really enjoyed singing. Now I can only sing in a small range and it has to be low tones.

Anyone know of anything to help my voice? Doctors, medications? I have been researching pr medications that would be given to transgenders (a man transformed to a woman), thinking that might help me, but am not finding too much information on that. I am seeing "hormone therapy," but that doesn't seem to fit what I need either. I did see two specialists about two years ago; the throat doctor had never even heard of winny and just told me that my one vocal chord was weak and had some growth. He suggested voice therapy, which I did for about two months. The voice therapist was trying to help, but after doing some research and consulting with several seasoned colleagues, determined that the changes to my voice were most likely irreversible and that the voice therapy would not help me. The voice therapist gave me the name of a doctor in France who specializes in something that has to do with female hormones, the voice, and steroids; I contacted this doctor twice, but never heard back from him. There has to be something I can do...

What about all of these other females in the industry; bikini, figure, fitness models-I know a lot of them use various gear, but still sound feminine. So what gear do they have, what else do they take, what doctors do they see? I am new in this industry and am compete in the bikini division. I know I am just starting out, but still, there has to be something that I as a non-sponsored, non-pro can do to ensure my voice sounds feminine.

I also read about vocal chord surgery, but the outcome is highly unpredictable.

I am really frustrated with my voice, it's something that bothers me everyday, it's almost depressing. Most people just think it's allergies, but they can tell a difference. Don't get me wrong, I don't sound like a man, but my voice is definitely lower than what it used to be.

Any help that anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to read this; I look forward to your advice and feedback. [IMG]file:///Users/Teacher/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/msoclip/0clip_image002.png[/IMG]

-JLM

[sassy69]

First whatever image you were trying to post at the end is referencing some local drive it looks like.


Sadly you've done repeated cycles and also of two androgenic compounds that are known to affect your voice. Anavar generally doesn't, but winstrol & primo both do. There's nothing you can do to "fix" your voice and I don't recommend getting into vocal chord surgery. The effect is the result of the presence of the compound in your system. I suggest just relax and wait and stay off the cycles of anything other than anavar if you're going to do anything. Look first at the "detection time" for the compound you're on for the primary effects to go away, but it may take several months for the effects of multiple cycles to completely clear. Everything else out there except var has the very common tendency to change your voice and the more you use, the more the effect will be. Someone like a professional singer might even notice effects from anavar. They are male hormones and male hormones promote androgenic characteristics which include voice change. You don't get to pick & choose the results & sides you want. Its always a crapshoot as to how your own body chemistry will work w/ the coupond(s) you pick. But expect most of the usual androgenic sides in everything w/ anavar being the milder of all of them. I'm sorry you're experiencing this, but this is exactly the way it is if you choose to go to the dark side. Ain't nuttin for free when you start manipulating your natural hormone levels.

Please read these for some overall info on cycles. "Everyone said" isn't the best approach to AAS use, but this will give you most of the basic stuff.

The World of Women & Drugs

• Part 1: Fat Burners
• Part 2: Women and Hormones
• Part 3: AAS and AAS & Birth Control

[The Big Sexy]

Well, no sense critiquing what you did in the past because there isn't anything we can do now that will really undo it. Like Sassy said to read up before you get involved with it.

Although, you can "retrain" your voice to be more functional at that octave. Basically your voice has dropped or in between an octave... and the vocal training you have isn't meant for it. If you see a vocal coach you can train your voice for that octave. You will still have a deeper voice, but you won't have the crackling shit going on like you are in puberty.

[s2h]

The damage is done.....

[Aaron Singerman]

Primo is rarely primo. I wonder of that's really what you were taking.

[The Prodigy]

Primo is rarely primo. I wonder of that's really what you were taking.

I found this out the HARD way!

[JuicyLilMonster]

Sorry about the link on my original post; I don't know what that is. I copied & pasted from a word document, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Thanks everyone; I appreciate the feedback! I always do my research, but unfortunately, like Sassy said, we don't get to pick and choose the side effects. I was thinking about getting back with the voice therapist I had before, because if nothing else, it would eliminate some of the cracking. Vocal chord surgery is such a long shot and I agree that it's not a good idea. I've read up on things to help my voice and as I figured, there isn't much I can do. I tried winny and primo because they have minimal side effects, which do mostly go away after the cycle, for me the one permanent effect is my voice and I made the choice to use those gears so I have to suck it up.

I will say that at least it has gotten a little better as time goes on, and I do also know that it can take quite a while for primo to go out of my system. Also, it may not have been primo, like someone else added; that could be part of the problemas well. Damage is done so I'm just moving forward from here If anyone hears of or reads anything else that may be helpful; please share! Thanks again everyone, I appreciate you taking the time to post!

[The Big Sexy]

Sorry about the link on my original post; I don't know what that is. I copied & pasted from a word document, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Thanks everyone; I appreciate the feedback! I always do my research, but unfortunately, like Sassy said, we don't get to pick and choose the side effects. I was thinking about getting back with the voice therapist I had before, because if nothing else, it would eliminate some of the cracking. Vocal chord surgery is such a long shot and I agree that it's not a good idea. I've read up on things to help my voice and as I figured, there isn't much I can do. I tried winny and primo because they have minimal side effects, which do mostly go away after the cycle, for me the one permanent effect is my voice and I made the choice to use those gears so I have to suck it up.

I will say that at least it has gotten a little better as time goes on, and I do also know that it can take quite a while for primo to go out of my system. Also, it may not have been primo, like someone else added; that could be part of the problemas well. Damage is done so I'm just moving forward from here If anyone hears of or reads anything else that may be helpful; please share! Thanks again everyone, I appreciate you taking the time to post!

Uhh.. yeah... I just said it. Vocal Coach... retrain your voice to operate naturally at that octave so you aren't raspy or cracking.

[s2h]

I found this out the HARD way!

thats a bummer to say the least...aaron is correct....if i were a female and concerned....i wouldnt even risk primo unless it was from certain very reliable sources...

[while]

thats a bummer to say the least...aaron is correct....if i were a female and concerned....i wouldnt even risk primo unless it was from certain very reliable sources...

the same to me .

[sassy69]

thats a bummer to say the least...aaron is correct....if i were a female and concerned....i wouldnt even risk primo unless it was from certain very reliable sources...

The problem is that people always say primo & winny are ok chick drugs w/ "minimal sides". But what do you call "minimal"? You're still screwing w/ the thing that determines if we're male or female or some sliding scale of either. "Sides" are not like "you may get a headache, so just take an aspirin and lay down for a while". The view of women using steroids vs men is that the basic effects of steroids are enhancing what is already "male". For women, the goal is to "increase muscle mass" and "decrease bodyfat" which are more male traits than female traits, but then you have to expect to get the rest of the male traits. People may say the sides are "minimal" but they are always there in some degree, and it depends initially on your own body chemistry as to what becomes the most pronounced, and then it all becomes more pronounced w/ more and longer presence in the female system.

It is sad that people hear about "minimal sides" - I think once you start using, the view of "sides" becomes relative. For someone new looking for advice, it may be a different experience. But yea, once you step to the dark side, PLAN for the sides. Don't start & hope for the best. You'll get it. Its just a matter of how much. Its kinda like be "sorta pregnant". It just doesn't work like that.

Anyway - wish you the best and probably the less you think about it, the less it will be an issue for you, and over time it will mostly return to normal. But as I said, if your singing voice matters to you, you simply have no business playing w/ your hormones. I'd say that all the way down to even the OTC stuff like tribulus.

[srblan]

I think there might be an otolaryngologist at Stanford doing research on the effects AAS has on the vocal chords. Not sure if there's anything short of surgery that can be done, but it may be worth contacting him http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/ohn...Edward_Damrose.

[Big Puppy]

tablespoons of raw honey?

[sassy69]

tablespoons of raw honey?

That's just going to ease any scratchy dry throat / cough.

[bbchick24]

I feel your pain. I was taking the same thing at the same dose and had the same exact sides. My voice is very scratchy, deeper in tone. People who havent seen me in awhile notice it right away. Ask me if i have a cold. When I holler it cracks and sounds terrible. Also the clit thing too. I have been off it since January. Still not better. Was also taking Anavar with it. What would be recommended that doesn't have this side effect but has good gains. And i know there are always sides!

[sassy69]

I feel your pain. I was taking the same thing at the same dose and had the same exact sides. My voice is very scratchy, deeper in tone. People who havent seen me in awhile notice it right away. Ask me if i have a cold. When I holler it cracks and sounds terrible. Also the clit thing too. I have been off it since January. Still not better. Was also taking Anavar with it. What would be recommended that doesn't have this side effect but has good gains. And i know there are always sides!

The only thing that has the least and consistently the least chance of affecting your voice is anavar. Everything else - expect it in some form. If you already have the issue, anything else will additionally enhance what you already have.

[Curt James]

The World of Women & Drugs

• Part 1: Fat Burners
• Part 2: Women and Hormones
• Part 3: AAS and AAS & Birth Control

Assume that's a sticky somewhere.

OP, I hope your symptoms reverse after some time passes. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[sassy69]

Assume that's a sticky somewhere.

OP, I hope your symptoms reverse after some time passes. Thanks for sharing your experience.

The links are gone right now - working on reposting at some point.

[Hit-Girl]

To late now, but don't even start if you want to keep your voice.

[tammyp]

people need to research this sides! nothing is free and wo risk...

[athleticvanessa]

Voice training! Teach yourself how to speak at your "new voice's" octave without feeling awkward. OR Try voice lessens to change the tone completely. It can be dont and trust me it works! I messed around with an OTC Prohormone that made significant changes in my voice. After about 6 months of ridding it of my system, I still had to retraining my voice. Almost a year later I am getting back to the same octave I sand in karaoke! lol