Holding most people back on BACK growth

[juiceinator3000]

i only half agree. i see tons of dudes killing it in my gym. they train 10 times harder than me. yet they look like crap. just weird physiques. you know like big traps but no other back development.
or the guys with big shoulders and no arms or chest. yes everyone has weak points, but take you for example, you still have a very good over all shape and development to each body part.
even when you were natty, you still had good structure. thats genetics

Shhh. Don't tell people I was actually natural for awhile there lol. Idk I just see a lot of people in the gyms I've been to and worked at that just train like pussies. Then you go somewhere where people are actually doing work and it changes your whole perception of how much mental intensity should go into training. I will say a big part of it is I didn't even start really trying to move heavier weights until my form was pretty solid on all my movements. That took me a few years to really develop, the proper form and the way shit should feel. And yes, after that I hit the gas. Hard. I think putting the time in in the beginning to actually focus on proper training is where people either make or break their physique. Just my opinion. They're still fucking pussies though. They need some fuckin tren in their lives that's the problem.

[juiceinator3000]

training real heavy all the time sucks just as bad as training lighter with strict form all the time. knowing how to train, eat, and rest is where growth is. to each his own. if your not growing your doing it wrong.

Word

[BC123Jm]

They need some fuckin tren in their lives that's the problem.

agreed

[.!.]

My back used to suck real bad and now its one of my best features

I only started building a good back when I started from scratch and dropped the weight focused on form and "feeling" the weight

Also made sure I stayed away from cable exercises and focuses mostly on reads partial reads rack chins pull ups and bent rows

[floridairon]

I used to be king of cable rows and pulldowns and never understood why my bad was so thin. After my last show I started deadlifting and squating 2x week and my bag grew like never before. Now my back workout is 5xpull ups, 5x deads from the floor (not pussy rack pulls!) and 5x bar rows. Thats it and thats all you need and be consistent!!!

[retwa]

A narrow grip really seems to isolate my back more and take the biceps out of the movement...so I prefer doing bent over t-bar rows with a V handle over the bar...or pulldowns with that same attachment. Regular barbell rows are fine, but the heavy t-bar rows, followed up by heavy deads and then weighted chins really destroys my lats.

[fitzy]

I want to hear the barely legal guru's opinion on this

[eroc613]

My back sucks (as you can see from my avatar) and it only started to grow once I realized how to lift with my back and not my biceps and legs.

Same here.

[knockout ted]

Same here.

i wouldnt say your back sucks. traps and rear delts over power it and you need more lower back, but wouldnt say it sucks.

[lartinos]

It's an ego thing.
First off the big guys are afraid because they think people will expect them to be able to do more than they really can.
Just like people have terrible form on their pull-downs because they are using way too much weight.
I am far from jacked, but I like being able to do 20 pull-ups plus when I am in good shape. I don't understand how people can seriously work their back without doing them, fucking pitiful.

[MattyH7688]

I really like John Meadows' Mountaindog training for back. Most my back has grown in an offseason and get the best "pump and feeling" from the workouts.

[John Hansen]

Pull ups + bent over rows + deadlifts = back. Take that equation to University and see if the fuckers can figure that out

This! Like my friend and former training partner Mel Chancey says, "you have to pick shit up from the floor!" Pulldowns, Hammer Strength, cables, etc, won't build a big thick back. When you start doing heavy (with good form) barbell rows, t-bar rows, deadlifts and wide-grip chins (not pulldowns), you will build wide, thick lats. And I think the best barbell rows are standing bent OVER a bar, not tilted up at an 80 degree angle which only works your forearms and biceps. Full movements using the basic exercises are the key.

[Matt Knappick]

This! Like my friend and former training partner Mel Chancey says, "you have to pick shit up from the floor!" Pulldowns, Hammer Strength, cables, etc, won't build a big thick back. When you start doing heavy (with good form) barbell rows, t-bar rows, deadlifts and wide-grip chins (not pulldowns), you will build wide, thick lats. And I think the best barbell rows are standing bent OVER a bar, not tilted up at an 80 degree angle which only works your forearms and biceps. Full movements using the basic exercises are the key.

Exactly, bar go half way down shins not thighs!!

[Rambo2]

It can't help that most people seem to have awful barbell row form

[xXJohnnyJuiceXx]

I used to be king of cable rows and pulldowns and never understood why my bad was so thin. After my last show I started deadlifting and squating 2x week and my bag grew like never before. Now my back workout is 5xpull ups, 5x deads from the floor (not pussy rack pulls!) and 5x bar rows. Thats it and thats all you need and be consistent!!!

Umm just throwing my own opinion out there, but unless your deadlifting to get an official max, deadlifting off the floor isnt that useful, when you deadlift off the rack, you dont have to waste that extra energy as opposed to pulling it off the floor and losing a couple of reps from something that has no real muscle building properties to it. But those are just my thoughts, im open to anybody else's opinion on deadlifting off the floor or rack, though my deadlifts are pretty high. typically back day begins with deads, bar 8 reps, 135 8 reps, 225 8 reps, 315 8 reps, 405 8 reps, 495 8 reps, 545 3 reps.

But back to the main topic, 3 things:
1) People are pussies when it comes to deadlifts and squats.
2) Even if there are some people that do deadlifts and squats, they arent going heavy enough to get stronger and grow.
3) If they happen to be going heavy enough, chances are theyre half assing the squat and not going deep enough and the form isn't there.

At least this is the case in my gym, i think there are maybe 5 to 6 people who can actually deadlift or squat and push it as hard as they can, including me.