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    No such thing as OTC fat burners. "Fat burners" are just mislabeled stimulants.

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    i suggest caffeine

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    Lipolyze and somalyze are a great mix for stimulant free supplements . Made by some dodgy , snake geezer named Dave something or other apparently , lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigZero View Post
    No such thing as OTC fat burners. "Fat burners" are just mislabeled stimulants.
    For the most part that is true but not entirely. Yohimbine HCL for example is quite potent and OTC. Probably the most potent alpha receptor blocker that anyone uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by data4 View Post
    For the most part that is true but not entirely. Yohimbine HCL for example is quite potent and OTC. Probably the most potent alpha receptor blocker that anyone uses.
    This stuff is my go-to for leaning out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyday View Post
    This stuff is my go-to for leaning out!
    It definitely works if you use it correctly. Some don't tolerate it well but there are some tricks to that.
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    On top of Yohimbine HCL
    forskolin 95 dosed at 50-100mg a day is effective for cAMP
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    Quote Originally Posted by data4 View Post
    It definitely works if you use it correctly. Some don't tolerate it well but there are some tricks to that.
    An how would one use it correctly?

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    in a fasted state upon waking is the best use for Yohimbine. in the presence of insulin or food the effects are negated.
    Yohimbine is also enhanced when in the presence of caffeine. So this makes it even more optimal upon waking. Work your way up to .02mg/kg for the dose. Start with 2.5mg and then reassess as you increase (many get up to 12.5-15mg).

    If you want to dose it later in the day you can, and I would suggest to utilize it before cardio to help with stubborn bodyfat. If you train upon waking then wake up and train and dose before your cardio session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    in a fasted state upon waking is the best use for Yohimbine. in the presence of insulin or food the effects are negated.
    Yohimbine is also enhanced when in the presence of caffeine. So this makes it even more optimal upon waking. Work your way up to .02mg/kg for the dose. Start with 2.5mg and then reassess as you increase (many get up to 12.5-15mg).

    If you want to dose it later in the day you can, and I would suggest to utilize it before cardio to help with stubborn bodyfat. If you train upon waking then wake up and train and dose before your cardio session.

    The 2.5mg dosage is what I purchased. I will start with my coffee about 2 hours before cardio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    The 2.5mg dosage is what I purchased. I will start with my coffee about 2 hours before cardio.

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    Usually the dosing is about 1mg per 10lbs of lean body mass. I will work all the way up to 20mg with my caffeine source before fasted cardio. In high doses I HIGHLY suggest that everyone use L Theanine with it (200mg). This will boost GABA levels and balance out the stimulant effect so its much more tolerable. Without that a lot of people cannot tolerate the full dose and get the full benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by data4 View Post
    Usually the dosing is about 1mg per 10lbs of lean body mass. I will work all the way up to 20mg with my caffeine source before fasted cardio. In high doses I HIGHLY suggest that everyone use L Theanine with it (200mg). This will boost GABA levels and balance out the stimulant effect so its much more tolerable. Without that a lot of people cannot tolerate the full dose and get the full benefit.
    Thanks for the info! I will need about 16mg which is a lot of those pills a day. There wasn't a higher extract dosage that I found.

    What brand are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Thanks for the info! I will need about 16mg which is a lot of those pills a day. There wasn't a higher extract dosage that I found.

    What brand are you using?
    Ya its a lot of those little suckers. Since they are 2.5mg I would probably just use 15mg total and if you can tolerate it you might bump to 17.5. I think I have Primaforce brand right now but I know AllMax makes 3mg caps. The only other way would be buying powder and measuring it on a mg scale (putting it all in one empty cap) but that is tricky with such a small dose. I wouldnt risk it lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by data4 View Post
    Ya its a lot of those little suckers. Since they are 2.5mg I would probably just use 15mg total and if you can tolerate it you might bump to 17.5. I think I have Primaforce brand right now but I know AllMax makes 3mg caps. The only other way would be buying powder and measuring it on a mg scale (putting it all in one empty cap) but that is tricky with such a small dose. I wouldnt risk it lol
    I've used Primaforce and Prime Nutrition, got good results from both. Best way I've found is to start with just 2.5 mg and ramp it up GRADUALLY over several weeks. I feel awful if I take the calculated truckload all at once without ramping it up (with or without the l-theanine).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyday View Post
    I've used Primaforce and Prime Nutrition, got good results from both. Best way I've found is to start with just 2.5 mg and ramp it up GRADUALLY over several weeks. I feel awful if I take the calculated truckload all at once without ramping it up (with or without the l-theanine).

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