NSP's metha-drol/deca-drol log

**nsp** · 05-19-2012, 06:05 PM

First I'd like to thank Ironmaglabs for the chance of winning a bottle of both metha-drol extreme and deca-drol in some recent contests here on RX. I've been holding on to these waiting for my body weight to settle after my last cycle. My body weight has been a consistent 225lb for the past month now so I feel it has finally settle to a natural weight. So now that my weight has settled and no other variables will be changing in my dieting, training or supplementation I feel taking it now will be a true assessment of how my body responds specifically to these supps. I see from the site that the deca-drol can be stacked with other pro-anabolic compounds so thought I'd go ahead and throw the 2 together.

I'll be starting these 2 this Monday the 21st at the recomended dose and ride it out until they're gone. I'll try and keep this log updated on a weekly basis to report progress or sides if any.

**Dre23** · 05-19-2012, 07:24 PM

Big Boy is gonna get even bigger!!

**nsp** · 05-19-2012, 08:02 PM

From what I've read of other IML logs I have no reason to think otherwise.

**NYJetsFan80** · 05-19-2012, 08:21 PM

Good luck with your cycle NSP combining these two should definitely pack on alot of muscle M8 I'm along for the ride!!!

**lastson** · 05-19-2012, 08:44 PM

Good luck NSP, gonna follow along because I've wanted to try these also..

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**beefyfan** · 05-19-2012, 09:44 PM

Doesn't methadrol already have decadrol in it? If so, why double up? Not criticizing, just curious.

**nsp** · 05-19-2012, 09:48 PM

dont know. maybe someone can chime in bout that...

**s2h** · 05-20-2012, 05:43 AM

Hey bro...beefy is correct they both have one of the same compound....max lmg...i would recommend just running the mde by itself....the deca drol will work well solo or with most of the other compounds...i ran deca drol solo and liked it...

**lastson** · 05-20-2012, 06:44 AM

If you wanted to stack it with sometjing, I've heard a lot like deca-drol with halo... I've run halo I'm a few stacks and loved it...

Let us know what you decide

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**nsp** · 05-20-2012, 08:38 AM

Thanks, glad I was informed before starting. I'll be starting the Metha drol solo then. Think it'd be alright to run the deca drol right after werds as it's none liver toxic and aromatizing? or take a month break in between the two?

**GarlicChicken** · 05-20-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by nsp

Thanks, glad I was informed before starting. I'll be starting the Metha drol solo then. Think it'd be alright to run the deca drol right after werds as it's none liver toxic and aromatizing? or take a month break in between the two?

You could run the lmg after the MDE, you'd probably have to bump the dose up a little because of diminishing gains, but I had a buddy a while back do essentially the same cycle, with dmz and deca drol, then dropped the dmz and upper the DD. He continued gaining real well, although he did get a little softer because of the aromatization and lazy diet. Just be careful of gyno from the DD, it can get some guys bad. I'm actually gonna run some phera/lmg when I start legitimately bulking again, I'm looking forward to it. Anyhow, hope this helps.

**nsp** · 05-20-2012, 03:12 PM

And if I when the Super DMZ from Joe D's thread I'll incorporate that into the log somehow.

**nsp** · 05-20-2012, 03:14 PM

I'm sure some of you may have read the articles on stacking anadrol and dianabol for a synergy but just lowered the doses of the two. How would that sound to do the same with the DD and MDE? Run them together but just have the recomended dose.... Thoughts?

**heavyiron** · 05-20-2012, 04:04 PM

Metha-drol is the big dog. No need to stack brother. It is hands down the strongest oral I have ever used.

Please DO NOT stack Metha-drol.

**s2h** · 05-20-2012, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by nsp

I'm sure some of you may have read the articles on stacking anadrol and dianabol for a synergy but just lowered the doses of the two. How would that sound to do the same with the DD and MDE? Run them together but just have the recomended dose.... Thoughts?

I would still stick with mde.only.....its very strong....really very really strong...

**nsp** · 05-20-2012, 10:54 PM

aight then. will be hit'n the MDE solo tomorrow.

**TheABomb** · 05-20-2012, 11:46 PM

Why does everyone all of a sudden feel the need to stack methadrol with something else? Totally unnecessary and dangerous IMO. Methadrol brings crazy gains on its own, no need to stack it - it's already a stack of 3 AAS to begin w/...

**s2h** · 05-21-2012, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheABomb

Why does everyone all of a sudden feel the need to stack methadrol with something else? Totally unnecessary and dangerous IMO. Methadrol brings crazy gains on its own, no need to stack it - it's already a stack of 3 AAS to begin w/...

why did dan duchaine do what he did??..wanted to see what happened...not that its a good idea...

**nsp** · 05-21-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheABomb

Why does everyone all of a sudden feel the need to stack methadrol with something else? Totally unnecessary and dangerous IMO. Methadrol brings crazy gains on its own, no need to stack it - it's already a stack of 3 AAS to begin w/...

Well, I've just never heard of anyone ever say'n not to stack MDE with anything, so how would I know other wise without starting a thread about it? In the IML cycle thread they actually have MDE being stacked with Anabolic Matrix and 1 Andro Rx. And the Deca-Dral description on the IML site says that it can be stacked with other pro-hormones, while the MDE discription on the IML site says only not to stack it with other "gyno aggrivating compounds" which Deca-Dral is not. So, knowing that I saw no reason why MDE and Deca-Dral couldn't be stacked together. That's all.

**GarlicChicken** · 05-21-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by nsp

Well, I've just never heard of anyone ever say'n not to stack MDE with anything, so how would I know other wise without starting a thread about it? In the IML cycle thread they actually have MDE being stacked with Anabolic Matrix and 1 Andro Rx. And the Deca-Dral description on the IML site says that it can be stacked with other pro-hormones, while the MDE discription on the IML site says only not to stack it with other "gyno aggrivating compounds" which Deca-Dral is not. So, knowing that I saw no reason why MDE and Deca-Dral couldn't be stacked together. That's all.

I don't see what the big deal is here...

Superdrol is a methylated compound, and a strong one at that. Decadrol (Max LMG) is a non methylated oral steroid that is not liver toxic because it is not alkylated at the 17th carbon. To be quite honest, stacking MDE with lmg is very closely equivalent to stacking it with deca, and he's on trt so the test is already there. Does anyone have an issue stacking SD with test/deca?!? Of course not! So what the hell is the big deal here? It's not going to cause much extra strain on the system, but will aid in gains.

Also, Max LMG is notorious for causing gyno. I know several local guys who've gotten gyno by running LMG. From what I've seen, its actually far worse for causing gyno during cycle than superdrol. Where guys run into problems with superdrol is when they don't do a proper PCT and get an estrogen rebound post cycle, causing gyno up to a couple months after the cycle is done. If a guy doesn't come off test, he's really not going to have the kind of rebound that someone who is running an oral only cycle with improper pct would.

So, my long-winded point is that there is no problem stacking Decadrol with superdrol. If anyone has any valid points other than saying "superdrol is hella toxic bro," please let me know. We need to look at both compounds, not just one part of the equation. SD will wreck liver and lipid values in and of itself, the Decadrol won't make much of a difference at all as far as health.

**TheABomb** · 05-21-2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by nsp

Well, I've just never heard of anyone ever say'n not to stack MDE with anything, so how would I know other wise without starting a thread about it? In the IML cycle thread they actually have MDE being stacked with Anabolic Matrix and 1 Andro Rx. And the Deca-Dral description on the IML site says that it can be stacked with other pro-hormones, while the MDE discription on the IML site says only not to stack it with other "gyno aggrivating compounds" which Deca-Dral is not. So, knowing that I saw no reason why MDE and Deca-Dral couldn't be stacked together. That's all.

I wasn't really just talking about you, it seems like tons of logs have popped up all over the net of people doing the same thing

**TheABomb** · 05-21-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by GarlicChicken

I don't see what the big deal is here...

Superdrol is a methylated compound, and a strong one at that. Decadrol (Max LMG) is a non methylated oral steroid that is not liver toxic because it is not alkylated at the 17th carbon. To be quite honest, stacking MDE with lmg is very closely equivalent to stacking it with deca, and he's on trt so the test is already there. Does anyone have an issue stacking SD with test/deca?!? Of course not! So what the hell is the big deal here? It's not going to cause much extra strain on the system, but will aid in gains.

Also, Max LMG is notorious for causing gyno. I know several local guys who've gotten gyno by running LMG. From what I've seen, its actually far worse for causing gyno during cycle than superdrol. Where guys run into problems with superdrol is when they don't do a proper PCT and get an estrogen rebound post cycle, causing gyno up to a couple months after the cycle is done. If a guy doesn't come off test, he's really not going to have the kind of rebound that someone who is running an oral only cycle with improper pct would.

So, my long-winded point is that there is no problem stacking Decadrol with superdrol. If anyone has any valid points other than saying "superdrol is hella toxic bro," please let me know. We need to look at both compounds, not just one part of the equation. SD will wreck liver and lipid values in and of itself, the Decadrol won't make much of a difference at all as far as health.

An oral is still an oral. Just because it's not methylated doesn't mean it isn't the slightest bit toxic. Still not easy on the liver, although nothing like SD. And that's only a small part of it - the BP, lipids, , etc etc. Doesn't impact them as much as SD, but your not in the clear either. It is still toxic, all the data available proves this.

Also, doesn't metha drol already have mlmg in it? I don't see the point of going above the dose, the additional gains you'll get really aren't that great. Seems to me that the drawbacks are greater than the benefits.

**GarlicChicken** · 05-21-2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by TheABomb

An oral is still an oral. Just because it's not methylated doesn't mean it isn't the slightest bit toxic. Still not easy on the liver, although nothing like SD. And that's only a small part of it - the BP, lipids, , etc etc. Doesn't impact them as much as SD, but your not in the clear either. It is still toxic, all the data available proves this.

Also, doesn't metha drol already have mlmg in it? I don't see the point of going above the dose, the additional gains you'll get really aren't that great. Seems to me that the drawbacks are greater than the benefits.

As an oral, its toxicity is very minimal. Like I said, no worse than adding some deca into your cycle, considering it converts to nandrolone...anyhow, theres not going to be any negative impacts that are any worse than adding another inject. The same things as with using higher dose test, slight impact on liver, kidneys, lipids, BP, estrogen, and so on. Also, just because something is oral, doesn't mean it is toxic. Take proviron as an example. It's been utilized long term without negative impacts on the body. The whole "an oral is an oral" idea is kinda ridiculous. Any drug you introduce into your system has some kind of tertiary impact, whether it be anadrol, aspirin, or pain meds. It's just that the amount of negative impact is lesser or greater with certain drugs.

And yes, I didn't realize it but MDE does have lmg in it. I would stick with the normal dose of lmg that is already contained in the MDE, and if you want add in just lmg after you finish the MDE. Just an idea.

**heavyiron** · 05-21-2012, 08:45 PM

Metha-drol is SuperDrol, Dimethazine AND Max LMG.

IT should never be stacked.

Max LMG IS notorious for causing gyno at high doses. No need to add extra Max LMG or any other PH/DS to Metha-Drol for that matter.

Run the Metha-Drol solo.

**nsp** · 05-21-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by TheABomb

I wasn't really just talking about you, it seems like tons of logs have popped up all over the net of people doing the same thing

Well then. If it really wasn't about me, maybe start a thread about it rather than hi-jacking my log

**s2h** · 05-21-2012, 10:03 PM

Nsp laying the law down....lets not hijack this thread with a bunch of whats...ifs...wheres....i want to follow nsps experience hijack free...thank you....

**nsp** · 05-22-2012, 03:03 PM

Just day 2 now so no bloody urine, nipple knots or 5 hour erections to report yet. Not training today either cause I'm on shift. I'll post up this weekend for a week 1 report.

**kratos47** · 05-23-2012, 11:04 PM

What you really need to look at is what receptors each compound is interacting with. From what i understand theres class 1 and 2 prohomones so you want to stack one from each class otherwise they will just be competing for the same receptor. Leanbulk.com has some good info on which compounds fall where. Not to pimp another site its just the onlyone i know of with a sticky on the subject in the prohormone section.

**s2h** · 05-26-2012, 07:05 PM

Hows it comin along nsp?

**nsp** · 05-26-2012, 10:21 PM

It's was day 6 today and it's kick'n in for sure. Started out with a consitant weight of 225 and today was 229. Pumps are a lot more appearant, pretty much AAS like. I do feel my bp elevating at times, have been checking it my self at work and it's still in the reasonable range though a little higher for my average.

So thus far conclusion is, it's working, so I expect to see continued weight/strength gains over the next 3 weeks.

**s2h** · 05-28-2012, 05:17 AM

At this point things will take off...next week you will see some solid gains in size and strength....been some really big strength.gains reported with mde...

**nsp** · 05-30-2012, 06:41 PM

Day 9 now. Weight was at 243 this morning, so that's a 8lb gain thus far.

**s2h** · 05-30-2012, 09:41 PM

Your gonna keep gaining.....

**nsp** · 06-03-2012, 12:57 PM

2 week mark today. Muscles are really filling out now, pumps are back up to full anabolic level making training a lot more enjoyable. Strength is also up considerably. The BP elevation "feeling" has subsided. Weight was at 246lb this morning but I did gorge myself at Sonny's BBQ last night.

**heavyiron** · 06-03-2012, 06:59 PM

Should top out at 250 if you eat and train hard. Good luck brother.

**nsp** · 06-03-2012, 07:03 PM

Thanks Heavy. How do you suggest I run the deca drol? take a 4 week break with PCT or run it right afterwerds?

**heavyiron** · 06-03-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by nsp

Thanks Heavy. How do you suggest I run the deca drol? take a 4 week break with PCT or run it right afterwerds?

Take an 8 week break and buy something to run with the deca drol like maybe halo ex or even Osta.

**nsp** · 06-03-2012, 08:51 PM

Sorry but just realized posts #30 32 & 34 have the wrong weights. I accidently was thinking 40's when I really meant say 30's. My weight this morning was 236lb so that's an 11lb gain at week 2.

**s2h** · 06-04-2012, 04:22 AM

Hows your strength?...alot of guys say they get alot of strength gains from mde....i havnt used it so just curious....

**nsp** · 06-04-2012, 08:36 AM

Strength is right up to par with my weight gain...

**s2h** · 06-04-2012, 05:39 PM

Kool......keep us posted.....

**nsp** · 06-12-2012, 05:11 PM

3 weeks and 2 days in now, just a few more days left. Weight is currently 240lb which is a 15lb increase from day one. The weight gain, strength gain and muscle fullness is up there with all the oral androgens that I've taken (dbol, drol ect). It's refreshing to know that IML have OCT products that can give me AAS like gains even with 10 years of AAS behind me. I'll finish up these last few days and start pct.

**s2h** · 06-13-2012, 06:01 AM

Yeah....mde is pretty strong...i was probably one of the biggest skeptics about some phs before and them being legit compared to there aas cousins...then i ran halo-extreme and found out they work...mde is def right there with dbol or more so anadrol...if one doesnt tolerate anadrol well then this is no different...but its no worse either.....and thats were i was uneducated per say.....like the slogan...a oral is a oral!!

**s2h** · 06-13-2012, 06:04 AM

Glad you like it...i would def recommend some osta rx right behind the mde...will help hold gains...for someone with your ass exp its ideal since your.not looking for full recovery...