If it fits your macros trend

[Triple-H_2005]

You can't say he doesn't have elite genetics. You picked the one person who can eat damn near whatever he wants and look like that.

I'm sayin'...

And no, that's not the poster thats one natural pro who switched Feds after he got his pro card

Thanks...I was unclear.

[knockout ted]

It has plenty to do with the topic at hand...we're debating efficacy of one method vs. the other. My challenge was a TRUE IIFYM (soy, jelly and Crisco) vs. the other end of the spectrum.

If that's you, in that condition, TRULY eating IIFYM (NOT Disciplined Dieting with the occasional cheat meal, which is what a 90% clean diet really is), then you have my applause. However, because of the sentence structure, I'm at a bit of a loss as to whether or not that is you.

I don't really know what I'm arguing anymore because by your definition I dont even truly follow iifym.

You can't say he doesn't have elite genetics. You picked the one person who can eat damn near whatever he wants and look like that. And no, that's not the poster thats one natural pro who switched Feds after he got his pro card

You are indeed correct about his genetics.

Hahaha post em up big dawg! Like I said, my pics are all over this site...haven't seen any of yours...hmmm...

Before I get flamed for my physique. These are just comparisons to GarlicChicken. I'm well aware the majority of people preaching against iifym look a lot better than I and I'm not competition lean in any of these pics but they are the best I could find doing similar a similar to Chicken. I'm not saying my physique is better just saying it isn't far off. He's "juiced out of his mind" and I'm natural so not really a level playing field.

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[Riley]

Lol at Alberto using PEDs and lol at this thread, if you think that your digestive system can differentiate between types of carbs, protein and fats then you need to read a physiology textbook haha. Heathwise maybe food source matters, but body composition wise not at all, this is proven by numerous guys who have got lean using iifym

[juiceinator3000]

Call it like I see it. He's a great natural bb. Anyone who denies this is blind. But let's be real.. How many natties look even fucking close to him. He's one I respect, whether he uses peds or not. He's grown in muscle but not stage weight significantly since turning pro. Congrats. But how many people following this approach look like that. I can dig into my archives and find my natty pics too, had I not run into the life situations I faced I probably would be a natural pro. However I will not wait 7 years to compete. That's just unreasonable. Especially from a bullshit 6 week cycle of sust and slin, followed by a heroin binge. And just a FYI.. I'm leaner on 2500 more cals enhanced and have added ~20 pounds of stage weight in one year.

Lol at Alberto using PEDs and lol at this thread, if you think that your digestive system can differentiate between types of carbs, protein and fats then you need to read a physiology textbook haha. Heathwise maybe food source matters, but body composition wise not at all, this is proven by numerous guys who have got lean using iifym

[Jameson829]

if you think that your digestive system can differentiate between types of carbs, protein and fats then you need to read a physiology textbook haha

But differnt fats and proteins act differently in the body and do different things. This is an irrefutable fact, obviously. These IIFYM types stress "fitting a treat into you macros" like it's something new. What is a cheat meal supposed to be? Anyway a caloric surplus can be beneficial whilst dieting.

[Jake DeMichele]

Hahaha your logic is laughable. I'm not afraid. Unlike most of you, my pics are all over this forum. Just because you weigh a certain weight doesn't mean you look like it. When you add 50lbs of pure muscle on your frame come back and talk to me, then we will have a conversation. You think that sticking a needle in yourself magically makes people get huge...maybe one day you'll realize the truth.

You say my logic is laughable but yet fail to show an argument why.. You're juiced out of your mind and you weigh 150 pounds. I've ran one legit cycle in my life and I gained 20lbs in the first 6 weeks... Obviously not all muscle but none the less. Add 50lbs of pure muscle? What are you even talking about? You're lost bro, I'm not even trying to attack you personally but when you say things like "PEDs have nothing to do with bodyweight" you deserved to get called out. You already said it's impossible that Alberto is natural.. which he is natural. I think sticking a needle in someone makes them magically huge? hmm show me where I said that. Again your logic is awful. Keep making yourself look retarded, it's actually quite entertaining.

Go re-read my posts and quote them showing how my logic is inaccurate.

[Jake DeMichele]

Call it like I see it. He's a great natural bb. Anyone who denies this is blind. But let's be real.. How many natties look even fucking close to him. He's one I respect, whether he uses peds or not. He's grown in muscle but not stage weight significantly since turning pro. Congrats. But how many people following this approach look like that. I can dig into my archives and find my natty pics too, had I not run into the life situations I faced I probably would be a natural pro. However I will not wait 7 years to compete. That's just unreasonable. Especially from a bullshit 6 week cycle of sust and slin, followed by a heroin binge. And just a FYI.. I'm leaner on 2500 more cals enhanced and have added ~20 pounds of stage weight in one year.

He's a great natural BB because he trains his balls off and is disciplined. The dude could tell you exactly what he ate every single day for the last 4 years. How many people are that dedicated or disciplined? Again he has good genetics but not elite by any means. He used to be 300lbs and fat. Would you say he has amazing genetics if you saw those pictures? I think not. Let's not be prisoners of the moment and put things into perspective.

[juiceinator3000]

He's a great natural BB because he trains his balls off and is disciplined. The dude could tell you exactly what he ate every single day for the last 4 years. How many people are that dedicated or disciplined? Again he has good genetics but not elite by any means. He used to be 300lbs and fat. Would you say he has amazing genetics if you saw those pictures? I think not. Let's not be prisoners of the moment and put things into perspective.

Leta compare elite pros than. This guy can tell you everything he ate too. Shit he has online videos of it. Was overweight. Now looks like this.

[Triple-H_2005]

Lol at Alberto using PEDs and lol at this thread, if you think that your digestive system can differentiate between types of carbs, protein and fats then you need to read a physiology textbook haha. Heathwise maybe food source matters, but body composition wise not at all, this is proven by numerous guys who have got lean using iifym

Then prove it.

Eat soy for protein.
Drink high fructose corn syrup for your carbs.
Eat lard for your fats.


Post pics in 3 months.

I love Bro Science. There's nothing that has kept more people looking average outside of admitting and owning their laziness.

[Triple-H_2005]

I don't really know what I'm arguing anymore because by your definition I dont even truly follow iifym.

Then why are you working so hard to defend it? Where's your (outside of a few genetically elite) evidence?




I'll give you this (re: UNC jersey)...even if I disagree with you on this topic, you HAVE demonstrated a high level of intelligence in another area.

Go Heels!

[Triple-H_2005]

But differnt fats and proteins act differently in the body and do different things. This is an irrefutable fact, obviously...

Dude...you can't reason with an uneducated idiot.

[OoFaP]

Then prove it.

Eat soy for protein.
Drink high fructose corn syrup for your carbs.
Eat lard for your fats.


Post pics in 3 months.

I love Bro Science. There's nothing that has kept more people looking average outside of admitting and owning their laziness.

But that's not IIFYM....

[Gunslinger]

Then prove it.

Eat soy for protein.
Drink high fructose corn syrup for your carbs.
Eat lard for your fats.


Post pics in 3 months.

I love Bro Science. There's nothing that has kept more people looking average outside of admitting and owning their laziness.

First of all, no one would advocate such an extreme: with soy vs. meat- you are getting different amino-acid profiles; when you are drinking tons of syrup, your body is not going to function optimally. But you can think of an extreme to question nearly anything(though this extreme really doesn't apply to begin with).

A much more realistic comparison would be eating a hamburger vs. tilapia, or eating some ice cream instead of rice; and maybe doing the equivalent of that with a few meals throughout the day. And if you adjusted portions accordingly to where the caloric intake as well as the protein intake of each matched up; you would see NO difference at all in your physique.

Another comparison would be eating 8 "clean" meals vs. eating a few big meals, each adding up to the same calorie/protein intake. You would not see a difference as far as body composition is concerned.

A good point brought up was health and feeling good. That is a concern; and what foods fit each person is going to be dependent on that person. But it is not the case that "high-glycemic", "dirty" foods are always going to make someone function less optimally-- especially when in moderation.

No one who advocates IIFYM-- a system, mind you, where you keep track of everything you take in and adjust it to fit pre-determined macronutrient requirements-- is just sitting around eating bacon and jelly sandwiches all day. It is not the easy way out; it is not careless; it's simply a sensible, flexible, founded approach to dieting.

But differnt fats and proteins act differently in the body and do different things. This is an irrefutable fact, obviously. These IIFYM types stress "fitting a treat into you macros" like it's something new. What is a cheat meal supposed to be? Anyway a caloric surplus can be beneficial whilst dieting.

Within reason, yes. But as far as energy-usage and protein synthesis go: if you are consuming a full spectrum of amino acids(as meat contain), you will have the building blocks for muscle synthesis; if you are consuming carbohydrates, they will be modified to go into glycolysis and produce ATP. Your body is diverse in what it can use and more-limited in how it can use it. Carbs from rice and carbs from bread are being modified into the exact same thing and producing energy proportional to it's energy content(which is 4kcal/g regardless of source).

Health is another issue. And that is why no one on IIFYM is going to the extremes mentioned above...indeed, no one would even desire to.

[Jameson829]

Bottom line is....man the fuck up and eat your bodybuilding diet during the week and have 1-2 cheat meals on weekends. THAT is what is optimal and has worked for decades. If you're in contest prep, then REALLY man the fuck up and get it done without trying to sidestep what is an undoubtedly arduous process. One thing you IIFYMers don't realize is that if someone is balls deep into a prep diet, a taste of sugar or burger or what have you can trigger a shark like feeding frenzy. We are addictive people and I know for myself when I'm heavy into dieting the smallest deviance can present a problem. So why not just suck it up for 12 weeks and deal with the pain? Everybody wants ice cream, everybody wants apple fuckin pie AND as was said before, that is what cheat meals are for. Science shows cheat meals are beneficial while dieting as well. Life isn't all about macros.

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[TheABomb]

Lol dude doesn't look even close to natty. Only time I had viens like that I was crushing the tren and EQ hard.

[juiceinator3000]

Lol dude doesn't look even close to natty. Only time I had viens like that I was crushing the tren and EQ hard.

I will go out on a limb here and feel free to flame away but I'd say he is. I remember when he got his pro card. Added muscle but not enough to say he was hammering away on gear. And they test and we all know bold will show up in any test for a long ass period of time. Now gh and a few other short/no ester anabolics, possibly, but there are a few natty freaks out there. Check out Doug miller and whatever the fuck Ricardo's name is they both compete natural in ifpa. Two people I doubt use anything. I'm not naive, some people have great genetics for bb. Some of us are fucked and do it for fun. And let's be real here, steroids are awesome no doubt about that.

[Jake DeMichele]

Lol dude doesn't look even close to natty. Only time I had viens like that I was crushing the tren and EQ hard.

Another steroid user getting butthurt over Alberto's pictures... There's a natural kid in my gym who is 5'11 185 at 8% year round and has more veins than berto.. But I'm sure he's on tren and EQ also..

[flipmonk]

lol @ this thread....

IIFYM works! Period! Why? Because the people who use it do eat mainly CLEAN food and not junk. I followed a few guys on youtube who do the whole IIFYM thing. Basically they eat clean (eggs, chicken, beef, sweet potato and that good stuff) and track their macros with myfitnesspal.com; IF they have calories left at the end of the day they might something that most bodybuilders would consider junk BUT 95% of the foods they eat is clean.

check out matt ogus on youtube:

he has some cool videos and there's also a video with him and Eli Blahut. Matt does get crazy shredded and he's natural.

Alberto Nunez who most people here consider not-natural is actually one of his trainers. Matt works with 3DMJ which is a group of natural trainers and competitors. I'm gonna argue if Alberto is or isn't natural.
Ryan Dorris is also "natural" and he looks way bigger...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhVCfAkzCKc&feature=plcp

[Triple-H_2005]

But that's not IIFYM....

You guys have spent pages extolling the virtues of being able to eat as one likes if it fits your macros.

So maybe it should be IIFYMAICEITOIWYWTLLABLAAG?

If It Fits Your Macros And Is Clean Except In The Occasional Instance When You Want To Let Loose A Bit Like At A Gathering...

Or are you telling me that eating clean 90-95% of the time and eating some occasional crap is okay? You know, like a traditional diet with the occasional cheat meal?

First of all, no one would advocate such an extreme: with soy vs. meat- you are getting different amino-acid profiles; when you are drinking tons of syrup, your body is not going to function optimally. But you can think of an extreme to question nearly anything(though this extreme really doesn't apply to begin with).

A much more realistic comparison would be eating a hamburger vs. tilapia, or eating some ice cream instead of rice; and maybe doing the equivalent of that with a few meals throughout the day. And if you adjusted portions accordingly to where the caloric intake as well as the protein intake of each matched up; you would see NO difference at all in your physique.

Another comparison would be eating 8 "clean" meals vs. eating a few big meals, each adding up to the same calorie/protein intake. You would not see a difference as far as body composition is concerned.

A good point brought up was health and feeling good. That is a concern; and what foods fit each person is going to be dependent on that person. But it is not the case that "high-glycemic", "dirty" foods are always going to make someone function less optimally-- especially when in moderation.

No one who advocates IIFYM-- a system, mind you, where you keep track of everything you take in and adjust it to fit pre-determined macronutrient requirements-- is just sitting around eating bacon and jelly sandwiches all day. It is not the easy way out; it is not careless; it's simply a sensible, flexible, founded approach to dieting.




Within reason, yes. But as far as energy-usage and protein synthesis go: if you are consuming a full spectrum of amino acids(as meat contain), you will have the building blocks for muscle synthesis; if you are consuming carbohydrates, they will be modified to go into glycolysis and produce ATP. Your body is diverse in what it can use and more-limited in how it can use it. Carbs from rice and carbs from bread are being modified into the exact same thing and producing energy proportional to it's energy content(which is 4kcal/g regardless of source).

Health is another issue. And that is why no one on IIFYM is going to the extremes mentioned above...indeed, no one would even desire to.

Read what you wrote.

For you, we'll call it IIFYMAPABAAPACFSNHFCS

If It Fits Your Macros And Provides A Broad Amino Acid Profile And Carbs From Sources Not HFCS.

You clowns are so all over the place with this that I don't even know where to begin!

[TheABomb]

I will go out on a limb here and feel free to flame away but I'd say he is. I remember when he got his pro card. Added muscle but not enough to say he was hammering away on gear. And they test and we all know bold will show up in any test for a long ass period of time. Now gh and a few other short/no ester anabolics, possibly, but there are a few natty freaks out there. Check out Doug miller and whatever the fuck Ricardo's name is they both compete natural in ifpa. Two people I doubt use anything. I'm not naive, some people have great genetics for bb. Some of us are fucked and do it for fun. And let's be real here, steroids are awesome no doubt about that.

People always have crazy genetics when it comes to size and strength and there will always be large differences in size an leanness. But the skin texture, massively large veins, etc are some obvious giveaways. You can never tell based on size and strength alone, unless of course they're 250+, faily lean, repping out 4 plates on the bench, etc etc..

Besides, Ricardo, Kiyoshi, they've all admitted to running "a few" cycles of methyltest, m1t, 1ad and all the good stuff back before it was considered "unnatural."

[TheABomb]

Another steroid user getting butthurt over Alberto's pictures... There's a natural kid in my gym who is 5'11 185 at 8% year round and has more veins than berto.. But I'm sure he's on tren and EQ also..

Actually, aas do increase rbc count, especially EQ - almost to the point where it's dangerously high. Hence the thick veins.

Or he could have just been admitted to the ER for iron poisoning a few times.

[OoFaP]

You guys have spent pages extolling the virtues of being able to eat as one likes if it fits your macros.

So maybe it should be IIFYMAICEITOIWYWTLLABLAAG?

If It Fits Your Macros And Is Clean Except In The Occasional Instance When You Want To Let Loose A Bit Like At A Gathering...

Or are you telling me that eating clean 90-95% of the time and eating some occasional crap is okay? You know, like a traditional diet with the occasional cheat meal?

IIFYM has restrictions. Certain other requirements need to be met which wouldn't be with your approach. You would be getting no vitamins, no fiber, etc. If you took everything in supplement form in addition to that then in terms of body composition, it would be the same. You would feel terrible though, have worse workouts, and probably get sick which would eventually affect body composition but the foods by themselves wouldn't.

I don't see the point in looking at the extremes. No one is advocating that. This is what I currently look like:



My diet for the past year has consisted of a lot of oats, lean turkey, chicken, eggs, broccoli, and peanut butter. On top of that, not a day has gone by where I didn't have either a bagel with cream cheese, a couple of hamburgers, or a burrito. I look a million times better now than when I was an obsessed freak who ate nothing but typical bodybuilder foods every couple of hours and chose to stay at home and eat rather than go places. But I must have elite genetics for it to work for me I guess. So either it works because we have good genetics or it works because we aren't actually natural. Open your mind and accept change. I cringe every time I see a fat out of shape bodybuilder forcing himself to eat nasty fish because he thinks he has to.

[MattyH7688]

not trying to advocate it 100%, but I will admit this offseason every single day I had one meal at least of chipotle, subway, this amazing burger place at my GF's college WVU, Wendys, some nice restaurant for dinner etc.. I stayed my leanest this offseason, compared to every other offseason I had where I pretty much only ate "bodybuilding" foods. I use to be the biggest proponent of it.. Now I doubt I will do this dieting, maybe due to my own OCD with it. But it made enjoy life a bit more with no real difference in gains.

[TheABomb]

If I trained for a marathon, dropped 80lbs, ate bagels and hamburgers every day, did 2 hours of cardio a day, I could also be 160 with striated glutes. Just saying...

[OoFaP]

If I trained for a marathon, dropped 80lbs, ate bagels and hamburgers every day, did 2 hours of cardio a day, I could also be 160 with striated glutes. Just saying...

Idiotic and ignorant statement just like 80% of the posts in this thread. MD and RX members are sadly the reason that the general population views bodybuilders so negatively.

[Diggy]

IIFYM has restrictions. Certain other requirements need to be met which wouldn't be with your approach. You would be getting no vitamins, no fiber, etc. If you took everything in supplement form in addition to that then in terms of body composition, it would be the same. You would feel terrible though, have worse workouts, and probably get sick which would eventually affect body composition but the foods by themselves wouldn't.

I don't see the point in looking at the extremes. No one is advocating that. This is what I currently look like:



My diet for the past year has consisted of a lot of oats, lean turkey, chicken, eggs, broccoli, and peanut butter. On top of that, not a day has gone by where I didn't have either a bagel with cream cheese, a couple of hamburgers, or a burrito. I look a million times better now than when I was an obsessed freak who ate nothing but typical bodybuilder foods every couple of hours and chose to stay at home and eat rather than go places. But I must have elite genetics for it to work for me I guess. So either it works because we have good genetics or it works because we aren't actually natural. Open your mind and accept change. I cringe every time I see a fat out of shape bodybuilder forcing himself to eat nasty fish because he thinks he has to.

Can you post up an example of a typical day of eating for you please? Thanks

[TheABomb]

Idiotic and ignorant statement just like 80% of the posts in this thread. MD and RX members are sadly the reason that the general population views bodybuilders so negatively.

Go back to bb.com why don't you, the mecca of training and nutrition knowledge then..

[OoFaP]

Can you post up an example of a typical day of eating for you please? Thanks

Sure. This is what I'm eating now. I lowered calories by about 500 last month to drop 5-8 pounds for summer. I already dropped the weight so now I'm just maintaining. I have it organized in 5 meals but the majority of the time it's combined into only 4 meals. I just have it written out in Excel like this.

Meal 1

2 eggs

120g oats

36 g Myofusion

Meal 2

120 g oats

6 oz turkey(raw)

200 grams broccoli

Meal 3

4 oz sirloin beef

Thomas WW Bagel

16 g PB

Pepperidge Farms Bun

Meal 4

4 oz sirloin beef

Pepperidge Farms Bun

Apple

Meal 5

33 g ON casein

10 g PB

2 eggs

[TheABomb]

Let's be honest. Lots of juiced bodybuilders resent naturals because they often come in leaner. 98% of people on this board haven't been as lean as guys like Berto, Brian Whitacre, Brandon Bergen....I could go on.. I can't wait until one of your juiced superheros reps using IIFYM and everyone's on the bandwagon.. The chooo choooo train will be arriving shortly.

And the funny thing is if any of you saw these guys in person you would believe they are natural. It's amazing how dieting for 24+ weeks and taking an HD photo by yourself can be so deceiving to the mind.

I'd rather be a fucking fatass and deadlift over 600 than walk around at 160 with striated glutes....

I don't think any enhacned bodybuilders gives 2 shits about how some 150lb natural bodybuilder looks on stage...

[TheABomb]

Lol at Alberto using PEDs and lol at this thread, if you think that your digestive system can differentiate between types of carbs, protein and fats then you need to read a physiology textbook haha. Heathwise maybe food source matters, but body composition wise not at all, this is proven by numerous guys who have got lean using iifym

Oh ok, so what about medium chain vs long chain fatty acids? Omega 3's, 6's, 9's, the glycemic index for carbohydrates, GI inflammation caused by certain types of gains, complete vs incomplete protiens, food processing, etc etc? All meaningless I suppose...

[knockout ted]

Then why are you working so hard to defend it? Where's your (outside of a few genetically elite) evidence?




I'll give you this (re: UNC jersey)...even if I disagree with you on this topic, you HAVE demonstrated a high level of intelligence in another area.

Go Heels!

I'm defending it because following this approach to eating has improved my quality of life outside of bodybuilding. No one who follows iifym takes it to the extremes that you repetitively keep bringing up; it is more a flexible way of dieting to acheive the same results as someone who eats 100% "clean". It would benefit a lot of people who eat clean but do not track that macronutrients. As far as some of you saying it is a lazy approach to dieting for the weak-minded, I'm pretty sure the other posters in this thread who follow iifym weigh out and track every gram of food they put in their body.
I hate to disagree with you again, but I bought the jersey for the name on the back, not the name on the front

I look a million times better now than when I was an obsessed freak who ate nothing but typical bodybuilder foods every couple of hours and chose to stay at home and eat rather than go places. But I must have elite genetics for it to work for me I guess. So either it works because we have good genetics or it works because we aren't actually natural. Open your mind and accept change. I cringe every time I see a fat out of shape bodybuilder forcing himself to eat nasty fish because he thinks he has to.

This was the original point I was trying to get across. I look better not obsessing about eating every 2-3 hours and enjoying every meal I eat. When dieting I don't "cheat" on my diet like those of you preaching against iifym say you ocassionally do, i simply fit those foods in my macros on a re-feed day. In the past when bulking up I wouldn't really track my macros for the day and eat 100% "clean" foods and gained more bodyfat then if I were to just manage my macros better.

[Jake DeMichele]

I'd rather be a fucking fatass and deadlift over 600 than walk around at 160 with striated glutes....

I don't think any enhacned bodybuilders gives 2 shits about how some 150lb natural bodybuilder looks on stage...

Ok so you what you're saying is you would rather be fat and dead-lift 600lbs. Which has nothing to do with bodybuilding in the first place. Bodybuilders max weights aren't their priority. And while being a fatass you are more unhealthy and have sex with far less attractive women. To each their own, but if you're not even a bodybuilder then why all the hate? I would rather be strong and look good than be fat and be able to deadlift 50-60 lbs more than I can now. I've been fat many times in my life and I feel 10x better when I'm 10-12%, mentally and physically.

And you say enhanced bodybuilders don't care about how naturals look on stage. But yet you see all the time "there's no way you can get that lean without drugs, he's obviously on diuretics because his glutes are so lean... ect". There is some form of jealously or resentment going on, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is another thing.

[Jake DeMichele]

Idiotic and ignorant statement just like 80% of the posts in this thread. MD and RX members are sadly the reason that the general population views bodybuilders so negatively.

Adam there is no point in arguing with these idiots. They obviously have their own methodologies which are far superior to anything else, even when the evidence is brutally objective.

[Steve56]

I will go out on a limb here and feel free to flame away but I'd say he is. I remember when he got his pro card. Added muscle but not enough to say he was hammering away on gear. And they test and we all know bold will show up in any test for a long ass period of time. Now gh and a few other short/no ester anabolics, possibly, but there are a few natty freaks out there. Check out Doug miller and whatever the fuck Ricardo's name is they both compete natural in ifpa. Two people I doubt use anything. I'm not naive, some people have great genetics for bb. Some of us are fucked and do it for fun. And let's be real here, steroids are awesome no doubt about that.

Very well said...Alberto is 5'9-160's on stage if you look on his facebook at progress pics over 2 yrs from going from a very thick buy soft 230+ lbs to shredded out of his mind...it wasn't a 16 week diet that produced those results

[knockout ted]

If I trained for a marathon, dropped 80lbs, ate bagels and hamburgers every day, did 2 hours of cardio a day, I could also be 160 with striated glutes. Just saying...

Prime example of why bodybuilding has such negative stereotypes attached to it. So you're a fat 240 who deadlifts 600? Step your game up lightweight
Edit: probably not even a bodybuilder. just a weak powerlifter.

[Jake DeMichele]

Very well said...Alberto is 5'9-160's on stage if you look on his facebook at progress pics over 2 yrs from going from a very thick buy soft 230+ lbs to shredded out of his mind...it wasn't a 16 week diet that produced those results

Exactly. And we all know how difficult it is to diet for 16 weeks eating only pure clean bodybuilding food. That's why doing longer diets and using IIFYM can allow you to diet for longer periods while maintaining your sanity, which in turn brings you new level of conditioning.

[Steve56]

Exactly. And we all know how difficult it is to diet for 16 weeks eating only pure clean bodybuilding food. That's why doing longer diets and using IIFYM can allow you to diet for longer periods while maintaining your sanity, which in turn brings you new level of conditioning.

I think people especially in bodybuilding take everything to the extreme...IIFYM doesn't mean eat pizza,pop tarts, and pork chops all day lol....it means you have 250 g pro, 300 g carbs, 60 g of fat and you have to hit those macros that day...obviously gorging on junk all day will probably make it tough to hit 250 g pro while only having 60 g of fat....i have never followed IIFYM but i'm open minded to it...Natural pros like Layne, alberto nunez, and Ryan Doris have used it and all came in shredded

[fishmeat]

lol.... he called me "Jeff dahmer" , howd you know im from wisc ? I Thinks u need to scrape the shit off your shoe cuz u stepped in some talkin about shit u know nothing of.

[Steve56]

IIFYM has restrictions. Certain other requirements need to be met which wouldn't be with your approach. You would be getting no vitamins, no fiber, etc. If you took everything in supplement form in addition to that then in terms of body composition, it would be the same. You would feel terrible though, have worse workouts, and probably get sick which would eventually affect body composition but the foods by themselves wouldn't.

I don't see the point in looking at the extremes. No one is advocating that. This is what I currently look like:



My diet for the past year has consisted of a lot of oats, lean turkey, chicken, eggs, broccoli, and peanut butter. On top of that, not a day has gone by where I didn't have either a bagel with cream cheese, a couple of hamburgers, or a burrito. I look a million times better now than when I was an obsessed freak who ate nothing but typical bodybuilder foods every couple of hours and chose to stay at home and eat rather than go places. But I must have elite genetics for it to work for me I guess. So either it works because we have good genetics or it works because we aren't actually natural. Open your mind and accept change. I cringe every time I see a fat out of shape bodybuilder forcing himself to eat nasty fish because he thinks he has to.

you look great man!

[Triple-H_2005]

IIFYM has restrictions. Certain other requirements need to be met which wouldn't be with your approach. You would be getting no vitamins, no fiber, etc. If you took everything in supplement form in addition to that then in terms of body composition, it would be the same. You would feel terrible though, have worse workouts, and probably get sick which would eventually affect body composition but the foods by themselves wouldn't.

I don't see the point in looking at the extremes. No one is advocating that. This is what I currently look like:



My diet for the past year has consisted of a lot of oats, lean turkey, chicken, eggs, broccoli, and peanut butter. On top of that, not a day has gone by where I didn't have either a bagel with cream cheese, a couple of hamburgers, or a burrito. I look a million times better now than when I was an obsessed freak who ate nothing but typical bodybuilder foods every couple of hours and chose to stay at home and eat rather than go places. But I must have elite genetics for it to work for me I guess. So either it works because we have good genetics or it works because we aren't actually natural. Open your mind and accept change. I cringe every time I see a fat out of shape bodybuilder forcing himself to eat nasty fish because he thinks he has to.

So you're eating like a regular offseason bodybuilder.

There's nothing new and groundbreaking about that. Why is it being presented as such?

[TheABomb]

Prime example of why bodybuilding has such negative stereotypes attached to it. So you're a fat 240 who deadlifts 600? Step your game up lightweight
Edit: probably not even a bodybuilder. just a weak powerlifter.

LMAO, I'm sure all the fatasses out there at 15% bf that weigh 240 are just ruining the whole lifting culture right now, while men who constantly obsess over how other mens glutes look are just look upon as the pinnacle of sports heros in the eye of the public.

[TheABomb]

I should clarify that I'm not anti-bodybuilding, just anit- "natural" bodybuilding or any of the s*** advice that comes from people associated with it. Jim Cordova and his Cell Tech, Kiyoshi and his 2000g of protein daily and now apparently dieting on bagels and burgers is the way to go. Joe Klemczewski is one of the few decent natural diet gurus out there, but at the end of the day, the majority of advice out there is complete bullshit.

[TheABomb]

You guys have spent pages extolling the virtues of being able to eat as one likes if it fits your macros.

So maybe it should be IIFYMAICEITOIWYWTLLABLAAG?

If It Fits Your Macros And Is Clean Except In The Occasional Instance When You Want To Let Loose A Bit Like At A Gathering...

Or are you telling me that eating clean 90-95% of the time and eating some occasional crap is okay? You know, like a traditional diet with the occasional cheat meal?




Read what you wrote.

For you, we'll call it IIFYMAPABAAPACFSNHFCS

If It Fits Your Macros And Provides A Broad Amino Acid Profile And Carbs From Sources Not HFCS.

You clowns are so all over the place with this that I don't even know where to begin!

I'd prefer to call it, "IIFYMATMOTCSAOLGIATFCFNPBATMOPCFCTBWAOCM"

"If it fits your macros and the majority of the carb sources are of low gi and the fats come from natural peanut butter and the majority of the protien comes from chicken, turkey, and beef with an occasional cheat meal"

Wow, what a fucking revolutionary concept

[OoFaP]

Adam there is no point in arguing with these idiots. They obviously have their own methodologies which are far superior to anything else, even when the evidence is brutally objective.

I know. I usually don't say anything and just read the comments for entertainment. If someone wants to look worse than me on a more boring diet, it's not my problem.

you look great man!

Thanks man.

So you're eating like a regular offseason bodybuilder.

There's nothing new and groundbreaking about that. Why is it being presented as such?

So you're eating like a regular offseason bodybuilder.

There's nothing new and groundbreaking about that. Why is it being presented as such?

Why off season? Why can't I eat this diet prepping for a show?

No one claims it is groundbreaking. It's just an emphasis on macros over actual food choices. At least once a week I will end up eating completely different foods but with the same macros. Nothing bad happens to me. IIFYM is just to let people realize bodybuilding doesn't need to be the same bland foods day in and day out. If you don't eat your 8 ounce potato one day and replace it with an equal amount of carbs from another source, you will be fine.

Pro bodybuilders don't even seem to track macros or at least it seems like it in the videos. Whenever they are asked how much protein they eat they usually say something like "300-400 grams per day" or "6-7 meals of 10-12 ounces of fish." Very accurate.

[Gunslinger]

I'm 'all over the place' because you seem to not know what IIFYM even advocates. Yes, you need complete sources of protein. You cannot eat residual protein from pixie sticks and get the same results. Aside from that, calories are calories. As long as protein/micronutrient requirements are met- a very simple postulate much removed from " you must eat tilapia and broccoli 8x a day"- body composition will not be dependent on food sources or meal frequency: FACT.

Even with your extreme, if the protein source was complete, body comp would be uneffected. Drinking syrup would be deleterious for HEALTH..and would not be advocated.