Dave's Hormone Replacement Journey at Envizion Medical in Tampa, FL!

**huge285** · 06-05-2012, 11:54 PM

Dave's Hormone Replacement Journey at Envizion Medical in Tampa, FL! Follow Dave Palumbo and get a bird's eye view of the entire process of testosterone & growth hormone replacement therapy. . . Plus much more!

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http://www.rxmuscle.com/videos/lifes...-tampa-fl.html

**Jp2007** · 06-06-2012, 02:20 AM

Dave, how have your GH levels improved since starting the Sermorelin?

**bigdealbaby** · 06-06-2012, 07:33 AM

will there be follow up videos to this regarding wellbeing and the like? very interesting.

**bjo12** · 06-06-2012, 02:13 PM

I am interested to know how does someone start up their own Anti-aging clinic. Is it a doctor or a personal investment from a business owner who hires MDs?

**LANCE ADAM** · 06-06-2012, 04:56 PM

Love these kinda vids

**rennymccullough** · 06-06-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by LANCE ADAM

Love these kinda vids

Me too! Great vid! Just wish I had the scratch to go see people like these guys.

**retwa** · 06-06-2012, 05:24 PM

So, how much cash are we talking about, per month, to get setup with test, deca, gh scripts from this place?

**caribeman** · 06-06-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

So, how much cash are we talking about, per month, to get setup with test, deca, gh scripts from this place?

Would like to know as well. Bet is a pretty penny....

**MattyH7688** · 06-06-2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

So, how much cash are we talking about, per month, to get setup with test, deca, gh scripts from this place?

I was wondering that too.. It'd be worth the extra cost just to say you have a prescription but I just wonder how much it'd be for that.benefit

**joe d** · 06-06-2012, 05:48 PM

theres a lot of q/a in their section about their process and pricing. the start up fee is the only thing stopping me. other than that they seem a little better than the place i use.

**jnickels** · 06-06-2012, 06:06 PM

Great video. It's kinda funny, almost sounds like Dave is telling the doctor what he needs and why it will help him. Again, interesting video.

Is it just me or did the doses the doctor suggested 400mg/week of test for therapy?

**GottaGetLean** · 06-06-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by jnickels

Great video. It's kinda funny, almost sounds like Dave is telling the doctor what he needs and why it will help him. Again, interesting video.

Is it just me or did the doses the doctor suggested 400mg/week of test for therapy?

Yes he did, 400mg is perfect for therapy

**GottaGetLean** · 06-06-2012, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by joe d

theres a lot of q/a in their section about their process and pricing. the start up fee is the only thing stopping me. other than that they seem a little better than the place i use.

Don't be cheap now.

**jnickels** · 06-06-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by GottaGetLean

Yes he did, 400mg is perfect for therapy

Hey, if that's what the doctor says....do as the doctor says! Damn, from the chem enhanc section it always sounds like anything over 250 is too much. Interesting stuff Dave.

**retwa** · 06-06-2012, 06:42 PM

400mg test and 200mg deca per week obviously is not a "replacement" dose...lol

**Hydroshake** · 06-06-2012, 07:14 PM

well florida has no law for keeping script records of patients so they can do whatever they want. that's why florida is like the pain pill mecca of america.
i'd definitely go see them if i wasn't in my early twenties. lol.

**GottaGetLean** · 06-06-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hydroshake

well florida has no law for keeping script records of patients so they can do whatever they want. that's why florida is like the pain pill mecca of america.
i'd definitely go see them if i wasn't in my early twenties. lol.

What's your age have to do with it?

**GottaGetLean** · 06-06-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

400mg test and 200mg deca per week obviously is not a "replacement" dose...lol

Never a bad thing to have extra for a rainy day.

**Hydroshake** · 06-06-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by GottaGetLean

What's your age have to do with it?

i can't go in with high test levels. they'll think i'm an idiot. lol.
although, i could do the blood work post cycle.
hope the DEA isn't reading this.

**GottaGetLean** · 06-06-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Hydroshake

i can't go in with high test levels. they'll think i'm an idiot. lol.
although, i could do the blood work post cycle.
hope the DEA isn't reading this.

My levels were maxed out during my blood work bro, still got my script.

**GREENMACHINE23** · 06-06-2012, 11:03 PM

Road trip!

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-06-2012, 11:04 PM

No one will be sorry they went with Envizion for their HRT.

**Hydroshake** · 06-06-2012, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by GottaGetLean

My levels were maxed out during my blood work bro, still got my script.

well, now i know where my next vacation will be.

**GREENMACHINE23** · 06-06-2012, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Aaron Singerman

No one will be sorry they went with Envizion for their HRT.

It looks effortless as Dave had mentioned. The Doctor semd to have a good grasp of what is really needed when it comes to HRT and not just keeping people at the low end of "normal".

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-06-2012, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by GREENMACHINE23

It looks effortless as Dave had mentioned. The Doctor semd to have a good grasp of what is really needed when it comes to HRT and not just keeping people at the low end of "normal".

They definitely understand who the RxMuscle crowd is, and what we want.

**huge285** · 06-07-2012, 02:29 AM

I'll retest my IGF-1 levels in a few weeks to see how the SERMERELIN is working. I feel good so far...... it's only been a week!......

My TEST levels are not low (but I explained that I was already on HRT) and they understood.

**mackdaddy567** · 06-07-2012, 04:51 AM

Hey aaron about how much did this cost? To send the blood work and have the doctors at envizion look at it?

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-07-2012, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by mackdaddy567

Hey aaron about how much did this cost? To send the blood work and have the doctors at envizion look at it?

$899 for out of state patients using telemedicine. $499 for in office visits.

**magnus68** · 06-07-2012, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Aaron Singerman

$899 for out of state patients using telemedicine. $499 for in office visits.

Aaron is it $499 inclusive 0f scripts? or just to walk in the door? How is the pricing on meds

**Mac** · 06-07-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by huge285

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My TEST levels are not low (but I explained that I was already on HRT) and they understood.

This is the interesting part that I don't understand and the 400mg test per week. Maybe it's time to rethink the possibilities of TRT because as I am approaching 60, I don't recover like I used too.

**Curt James** · 06-07-2012, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by magnus68

Aaron is it $499 inclusive 0f scripts? or just to walk in the door? How is the pricing on meds

This.

Because I'll hop on my motorcycle and take that road trip GREENMACHINE23 mentioned. Curious what the monthly fee for meds would come to -- will be checking their Q&A section.

**Buckeye Fan** · 06-07-2012, 11:44 AM

The $499/$899 is a one time fee, doesn't include the monthly scripts. After that you just pay for bloodwork every 6 months.

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-07-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Buckeye Fan

The $499/$899 is a one time fee, doesn't include the monthly scripts. After that you just pay for bloodwork every 6 months.

Correct!

**hulk7510** · 06-07-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Buckeye Fan

The $499/$899 is a one time fee, doesn't include the monthly scripts. After that you just pay for bloodwork every 6 months.

how much is the bloodwork every 6 months?

**retwa** · 06-07-2012, 01:52 PM

Any particular reason why they use their own pharmacy? Can they not just call in the prescriptions to my local Walgreens?

**Hydroshake** · 06-07-2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

Any particular reason why they use their own pharmacy? Can they not just call in the prescriptions to my local Walgreens?

that way they don't have to keep a record. what state are you in?

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-07-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

Any particular reason why they use their own pharmacy? Can they not just call in the prescriptions to my local Walgreens?

There is money in filling the medicine. Envizion owns the compounding pharmacy...

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-07-2012, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by hulk7510

how much is the bloodwork every 6 months?

$199

**hulk7510** · 06-07-2012, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Aaron Singerman

$199

nice

**Matt Meinrod** · 06-07-2012, 08:06 PM

So what's the script price on Dave's order?

**LittleChris** · 06-07-2012, 08:42 PM

Great video!! I have also been on HRT for the last 6 years, i am 38 years old. I also get my meds from a clinic in florida, a different clinic and i am happy with them. They will prescribe me pretty much what i want, within reason of course. i take blood tests once per year along with a physical. I am in california and they are in florida so they get my bloodwork directly from the lab, and my meds are delivered to my door next day air.
I must say though, 400mg a week of test and 200mg a week of deca is NOT HRT doses that would be taken year round!! Like Dave said, it is a cycle-to be done for a few months and then one would go to a low maintenance dose of testosterone. My doc allows me 300 mg of test enanthate a week , but i went down to 200mg voluntarily only because my hematocrit levels were slightly above normal and my skin was ALWAYS oily and id experience breakouts. I have since switched to propionate, doing 75mgs on monday and 75 mgs on thursday, and i am doing fine! also on those days i will take 0.5mg of arimidex to keep estrogen low. Lately ive even going down to 50 mgs on mon and 50mgs on thursday because i was breaking out with the propionate, and still i feel great and have energy and strength and am horney all the time.
Many people think that 300mg of test per week is LOW!! Hell no it is not, if your gear is legitimate and prescription!! I have been on HRT for years and at one point, i was taking 200mgs of enanthate every friday and so when my annual blood check was due, i made sure to get my blood taken exactly 7 days after my last shot on a friday morning right before my scheduled weekly shot, just to see how high my levels were. My blood test came back at 1200 testosterone level!! Keep in mind that enanthate and cyp will last in your system more than 7 days so after a while, your levels will get higher and higher, up to a certain point of course. Ive even done 200mgs every 2 weeks and i was fine, again, this is taking REAL pharmaceutical grade test prescribed by a doctor and made in a compunding pharmacy.
Even dave said that he was on 100mgs of testosterone every 10 days and the guy is 210 lbs with NO body fat, so that says a lot about not needing that high of a weekly dose to stay anabolic and lean.
I am glad to hear that semorelin is getting some coverage as the clinic i get my gear from has offered it for a while now and ive done searches online but could never find any info on it. Im looking forward to see how it works for Dave, if it raises igf-1 levels, ill definetly give it a try. If u guys are not on HRT and are SERIOUS about the gym, you MUST get on testosterone therapy! Looking forward to seeing daves updates!

-C

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-07-2012, 09:35 PM

Dave will get re-tested soon, and we'll post the before and after blood work then.

**TheABomb** · 06-07-2012, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

Any particular reason why they use their own pharmacy? Can they not just call in the prescriptions to my local Walgreens?

That's how these people make their $$$.

And that doctor needs to work on his interpersonal skills. Didn't come across as the most likable guy...

And am I hearing this right, or are they really prescribing test to people who test in the 600+ ng/dL range????

**Aaron Singerman** · 06-08-2012, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by TheABomb

That's how these people make their $$$.

And that doctor needs to work on his interpersonal skills. Didn't come across as the most likable guy...

And am I hearing this right, or are they really prescribing test to people who test in the 600+ ng/dL range????

The doctor wasnt used to being in camera. He's very friendly in real life.

Yes, if your testosterone levels are in that range, we'll still help you elevate it. Just because you are in the normal range doesn't mean your in the OPTIMAL range.

**retwa** · 06-08-2012, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by TheABomb

That's how these people make their $$$.

This is the point I was getting at.

They are in the business of both diagnosing and prescribing medication while simultaneously profiting off of the drugs they prescribe. Does anybody else see the conflict of interest here for the physician and people running the "clinic"? (taking their position/obligation to a patient seriously while also trying to earn a profit according to how much stuff they prescribe)

Most legit endocrinologists will start people off at maybe 200-250mg test E every TWO weeks for a 'replacement' dose. Now I'm not saying that people shouldn't optimize their hormones if that's what they want, and I'm glad that this service is available to people who want it. Just pointing out the difference between 'replacement' therapy and what is essentially just a legal steroid / athletic enhancement source..