Dave's Hormone Replacement Journey at Envizion Medical in Tampa, FL!

[Aaron Singerman]

Many doctors offices are making money off prescribing medicines.

Envizion medical is a business, after all. They are in business to make money, as well as to help people. I think they are doing a phenomenal job, and providing a extremely valuable service.

This week I brought PJ Braun into Envizion to become a patient, and he was equally impressed.

They are a legit clinic, and the service they provide is completely legit. It almost sounds like you think they are prescribing too much testosterone???

[retwa]

They are a legit clinic, and the service they provide is completely legit. It almost sounds like you think they are prescribing too much testosterone???

From a medical and legal standpoint, they probably are. 600mg of gear per week would never be prescribed to someone unless they are suffering from something like severe muscle wasting.

Obviously I have no moral issue with people using what they want, I just think this clinic may run into legal issues in the future with their current business model..

[mackdaddy567]

$899 for out of state patients using telemedicine. $499 for in office visits.

Thanks man

[Aaron Singerman]

From a medical and legal standpoint, they probably are. 600mg of gear per week would never be prescribed to someone unless they are suffering from something like severe muscle wasting.

Obviously I have no moral issue with people using what they want, I just think this clinic may run into legal issues in the future with their current business model..

Have you done much research into the laws in Florida or prescribing testosterone?

Shaun, the owner, has lawyers under retainer and does nothing without consulting them. I can tell you that the research his legal team has done says what they are doing at Envizion has no potential legal risk.

[Pheedno]

the start up fee is the only thing stopping me. .

ditto. if it was 2-300 I'd be inclined but business seems to be good so I doubt lowered prices are in the future, which I understand.

[hulk7510]

from my personnal experience with envizion they are the best!easy to talk to and will actually help you!no bullshitting and giving you the run-around like my old doctor would.as far as the dosing goes remember they order bloodwork every 6 months.i'm sure if your levels are way too high and you're having ugly sides they will adjust your scripts accordingly.they are a legitamate company and of course they want to make money.expenses,overhead,lawyers,ect......i made the decision to use them because i want to look and feel good again.if you don't like what they offer please move on and don't discourage others from seeking the help they need.i'm happy to be a patient and for the doctor not being a likeable guy?he is actually pretty cool.peace rx fam.

[TheABomb]

The doctor wasnt used to being in camera. He's very friendly in real life.

Yes, if your testosterone levels are in that range, we'll still help you elevate it. Just because you are in the normal range doesn't mean your in the OPTIMAL range.

I'm pretty sure over 600 isn't just normal, it's optimal as well.*

Still very cool that it's easy to get, I'd just rather see them be more discrete about it if I'm gonna use them.

Every week it seems like an anti-aging clinic if FL is shutdown. Multiple ones I know of here in NY have been busted.

[TheABomb]

*Does anybody else see the conflict of interest here for the physician and people running the "clinic"? (taking their position/obligation to a patient seriously while also trying to earn a profit according to how much stuff they prescribe)

None whatsoever, especially considering that Dave's box only contained test, deca, adex, finasteride, hcg and clomid

[LittleChris]

They are COMPLETELY legal!! The feds tried shutting down Signature Pharmacy a few years back, and ultimately dropped the case. Hormone replacement therapy is a legitimate therapy guys, just as long as you are not a professional athlete!!

-C

[retwa]

Hormone therapy is legit, yes, within reason.

Many clinics have been shut down in the past though for over-diagnosing and over-prescribing.

When the feds see a client list full of bodybuilders, advertisements for test cycles on bodybuilding/steroid forums, and every single person walking into a clinic being diagnosed with hypogonadism and then walking out with a script for over a half a gram of gear per week....well, it's going to raise a red flag for sure.

[shaunw8lftr]

I would love to know what the contents of Dave's box cost if that box was sent to me. I'm guessing over $500. That cost every other month or every month is not doable for the average guy. They sure make it easy and seem professional and top notch, but for this joe it is just not going to work. More power to those who can though!

[Aaron Singerman]

I would love to know what the contents of Dave's box cost if that box was sent to me. I'm guessing over $500. That cost every other month or every month is not doable for the average guy. They sure make it easy and seem professional and top notch, but for this joe it is just not going to work. More power to those who can though!

Altogether, you are looking at slightly less than $500 per month for everything Dave got.

[GottaGetLean]

Hormone therapy is legit, yes, within reason.

Many clinics have been shut down in the past though for over-diagnosing and over-prescribing.

When the feds see a client list full of bodybuilders, advertisements for test cycles on bodybuilding/steroid forums, and every single person walking into a clinic being diagnosed with hypogonadism and then walking out with a script for over a half a gram of gear per week....well, it's going to raise a red flag for sure.

Why do you care so much?

[qbanfreak90]

What if you live in Canada?

[shaunw8lftr]

Altogether, you are looking at slightly less than $500 per month for everything Dave got.

Oh well then.... that’s a horse of a different color!

[joe d]

$199

i always go get my own yearly bloods because my doc wants almost double for that but im curious does that 199 just pay for the script and the docs reading it or does it also pay for the lab work being done?

[big nut]

From a medical and legal standpoint, they probably are. 600mg of gear per week would never be prescribed to someone unless they are suffering from something like severe muscle wasting.

actually two years ago, my doctor had me on 600 mg/week of test cyp. i had been on prescription liothyronine for 9 months at that point, and was at a fairly high dose, and i let the doctor know that my libido was going down (which was due to the high t3 levels eating up the available test in my system, according to my doc), so he was increasing my test dose to counteract that.
he was going by my blood work, and how i felt, and after a couple months, i backed myself off back down to the 300 mg/week range, which is where i am now.

the last time i had my blood tested, was 6 months ago, and i was at 240 mg/week, and my total test was only 320.

the point i'm trying to make, is that everybody's body is different, and responds differently to these meds.

[big nut]

Great video. It's kinda funny, almost sounds like Dave is telling the doctor what he needs and why it will help him. Again, interesting video.

Hellllooooo...this is an informational video. Dave is helping explain the reasons behind the therapies for US, the viewers...

Is it just me or did the doses the doctor suggested 400mg/week of test for therapy?

That's how these people make their $$$.

And that doctor needs to work on his interpersonal skills. Didn't come across as the most likable guy...

Jim, Damnit! he is a DOCTOR, not an ACTOR... the guy has probably never been on camera before. i'd be a little nervous explaining part of my job on camera too.

you just can't please everyone i guess. even when providing FREE informational media.

[costa]

everyone in the states should take advantage of this 100%, here in australia this would never be allowed to happen as easy and if it did the cost would be outrageous.

[TheABomb]

actually two years ago, my doctor had me on 600 mg/week of test cyp. i had been on prescription liothyronine for 9 months at that point, and was at a fairly high dose, and i let the doctor know that my libido was going down (which was due to the high t3 levels eating up the available test in my system, according to my doc), so he was increasing my test dose to counteract that.
he was going by my blood work, and how i felt, and after a couple months, i backed myself off back down to the 300 mg/week range, which is where i am now.

the last time i had my blood tested, was 6 months ago, and i was at 240 mg/week, and my total test was only 320.

the point i'm trying to make, is that everybody's body is different, and responds differently to these meds.

Were you on an AI? 320ng/dL is extremely low for 240mg a week. Unless your aromatase activity was ridiculously high, you are definitely an abnormal case, the average person in the studies is well over 1,000 ng/dL using that dose.

[TheABomb]

Jim, Damnit! he is a DOCTOR, not an ACTOR... the guy has probably never been on camera before. i'd be a little nervous explaining part of my job on camera too.

you just can't please everyone i guess. even when providing FREE informational media.

Not sure about you, but when I choose a doctor, people skills is a MUST for me.

[Aaron Singerman]

i always go get my own yearly bloods because my doc wants almost double for that but im curious does that 199 just pay for the script and the docs reading it or does it also pay for the lab work being done?

It pays for the entire thing.

[big nut]

Were you on an AI? 320ng/dL is extremely low for 240mg a week. Unless your aromatase activity was ridiculously high, you are definitely an abnormal case, the average person in the studies is well over 1,000 ng/dL using that dose.

yeah, 1 mg arimadex, e3d. i know my doc would like to keep me in the 600 ng/dl range.
hes very thorough, and checks all hormone levels, shbg, estrogen, thyroid, liver, kidney, psa, and a bunch of others that i could read off if i had my bloodwork in front of me.

i've definitely prospered in all areas of life since i started all the hormone replacement therapies, and got my levels back up to where they should be.

[scimjara]

Can you sign up if you dont live in the state of Florida?
would you get your stuff shipped to you?

What i was really trying to ask was.
Can you just sign up throug the internet send a bloodwork
and send money and get everything same way without actually meeting up.

[Aaron Singerman]

Can you sign up if you dont live in the state of Florida?
would you get your stuff shipped to you?

What i was really trying to ask was.
Can you just sign up throug the internet send a bloodwork
and send money and get everything same way without actually meeting up.

Yes.

[huge285]

I'm very happy that there's finally a clinic around that understands the need for us "older guys" the way gynecologists hand out estrogen replacement prescriptions for menopausal women

[John Smeton]

Dave in your video you got finasteride, and while its good for testosterone, does if you use it with deca, cause more hairloss?

its best to use finasteride on test only cycles, no?

[TheABomb]

yeah, 1 mg arimadex, e3d. i know my doc would like to keep me in the 600 ng/dl range.
hes very thorough, and checks all hormone levels, shbg, estrogen, thyroid, liver, kidney, psa, and a bunch of others that i could read off if i had my bloodwork in front of me.

i've definitely prospered in all areas of life since i started all the hormone replacement therapies, and got my levels back up to where they should be.

If you need 600mg for a replacement dose, I'm scared to see what your cycles look like. Lol...

At 600mgs I basically want to fuck every girl in site 24/7, so bad that I pretty much find it impossible to focus on anything else. And have energy like a cyborg.

Crazy shit...

125mg is more than enough to get me into the 600+ range - whether I test at 300 or 800 ng/dL, I honestly would never be able to guess. No change in my overall feelling whatsoever. Unless of course I'm on a 500+ blast.

[nigster]

I'm very happy that there's finally a clinic around that understands the need for us "older guys" the way gynecologists hand out estrogen replacement prescriptions for menopausal women

Exactly. IMHO it should be for older guys and people who really has low T etc. for a reason, not for guys at their 20-30's who has intentionally fu*ked up their own production...

Video was good an all as always.

[Hydroshake]

Exactly. IMHO it should be for older guys and people who really has low T etc. for a reason, not for guys at their 20-30's who has intentionally fu*ked up their own production...

Video was good an all as always.

young children are getting addicted to adderall and you're worried about some meat head getting some legal supplements.

[TheABomb]

young children are getting addicted to adderall and you're worried about some meat head getting some legal supplements.

lol @ "supplements"

The fact is, both AAS and amphetamines are serious DRUGS that need to be respected. There's a difference between use and abuse. Amphetamines may be seen as a gateway drug to coke and other stuff, but how many bodybuilders do you know that only run test cycles? Once you stop responding to 500mg of test, people decide to throw in tren, anadrol, and other drugs that seriously do fuck up your health big time, as I've unfortunately learned a couple times.

The bottom line is that AAS need to be used responsibly.

[nigster]

young children are getting addicted to adderall and you're worried about some meat head getting some legal supplements.

Who said I'm worried? I'm not.

[Paul C]

$899 for out of state patients using telemedicine. $499 for in office visits.

I've am a client of a new clinic down here in FL since my old 1 was shut down. I have a friend up north that wants to come here but my clinic said the DEA wants people to fly down to FL once every two years because soon telemedicine will be illegal. Is that true?

[GREENMACHINE23]

I'm very happy that there's finally a clinic around that understands the need for us "older guys" the way gynecologists hand out estrogen replacement prescriptions for menopausal women

The more men speak up, the more commonplace and accepted hrt use will be for men.

[big nut]

^^^Its getting out there to some degree now."Low T" commercials are airing during baseball, football & basketball games.

[drsalomon]

i cant wait to open up my HRT clinic in chicago and chicagoland burbs.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Yes he did, 400mg is perfect for therapy

Sounds 'perfect' to me....just turned 72 and still in the game.....in the gym and in the bedroom.


Baldie

[retwa]

^^^Its getting out there to some degree now."Low T" commercials are airing during baseball, football & basketball games.

Yea, I used this as an excuse to ask my doctor to order a blood test on my hormone levels last time I had a check-up.

"I keep seeing all this stuff about low T, I think I should get that checked on."

He just laughed and told me that it was a money-making scam and that the only people who need testosterone are those who've used testosterone in the past and shut down their natural production. I just didn't say anything, it was clear his mind was made up...

400mg/week, while being above actual 'replacement' therapy for most guys, will have you feeling pretty awesome comparatively if your levels weren't great to begin with.

If women are handed hormone pills like candy to make their periods lighter and kids are given amphetamines all the time to help them in school...anti-depressants to make you happy, etc. Then what's the big deal with male hormones? Better living through chemistry..

[Baldiewonkanobi]

BTW Dave ask the Doc about his opinion using daily 20mg Cialis for Benign Prostate Enlargement. The FDA has approved. I have gone from 3-5 trips a night to pee down to maybe one....and then I pole vault to the comode.

Baldie

[The Prodigy]

i cant wait to open up my HRT clinic in chicago and chicagoland burbs.

WHEN is this happening??????????

[Aaron Singerman]

$200 off sale still going on till next Wednesday!

[USMC 1371]

I have kick ass insurance. Do they accept any?

[Aaron Singerman]

I have kick ass insurance. Do they accept any?

Not at this time.

[Ryan Bracewell]

$200 off sale still going on till next Wednesday!

Is this off the price already listed in this thread, or was the price being quoted the discount?

[USMC 1371]

Not even for scripts?