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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistersteel View Post
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    See the thing about dosages is they will vary significantly from one person to the next. Its not so much the dosges of the drugs as much as it is the synegystic effect achieved through the right combination. How you combine your drugs is far more important that how high you run them.

    However, If you think about it, In any cycle, the dosages women use are entirely dependent on how much a woman is willing to put up with in terms of sides. "Safety" is placed on the back burner once we start stacking androgen upon androgen, especially if there is no rhyme or reason to the cocktail.

    Typically, short estered compounds produce results in 8-10 weeks, whereas long esters produce results in 14-16 weeks. When you stack compounds, short esters are the way to go in case you need to bail on a cycle for whatever reason. And as you know, you should take as much time off as you've spent on..yada yada yada.

    But how many of us really follow that protol? Very few women will admit to the truth but, honesty is one of my biggest virtues, and if we are to support each other, we cannot be holding back answers for slefish reasons. Dishonest advice is a big reason there are fifty million opinions out there pertaining to women and not a single reliable source I would ever bet my health upon.

    So the truth is that personally, I do not come off completely, ever. I run a bridge or a maintenance compound depending on what I am prepping for throughout the course of a season. Remember, I am not a competitive bodybuilder, so I do not have an "in" or an "offseason" persay the way most of you ladies do. I am always in season. I compete on 2 different circuits, train fulltime and make a living off the way I look.

    I will run bloodwork regularly and so far, besides the increased hair growth and irregular periods, I am healthy as an horse. But, I am also aware of the fact that I cannot do this forever. I have plans of retiring from the industry in a few years and a carreer change plan is already in effect.

    I will cycle certain compounds off and on. Receptors get saturated so time off is needed to clear them out or you are just spinning your wheels. I am actually very happy with the way I've been doing things. I love the way I look, I am strong as an ox, I have not been sick, had a fever or the flu in years. Everyone around me could be bedridden and I am right as rain. The only problem I have is bad tendonitis, which besides being a pain in the ass, is very manageable.

    Just hope my honesty benefits my sisters.

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    You are not the only woman who 'bridges'. I have talked to many online who do the same. I only started using AAS in 2006 and at conservative doses. After prep was over in 2007, I took a break from everything just because I felt tired of it all, to be honest. What I found interesting is that I actually felt my body "right" itself after a couple of months. It's hard to explain what that means, but I am very in tune with my body (as we all should be when running AAS) and saw the little changes in things like how my skin & hair felt, the rate at which my hair grew, my period coming back, etc. It further helped me understand the differences in my body between "on" and "off".

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    Interesting stuff- I'm eating lunch and just poked my head in here. I've never used either- but I was wondering about the potential side affects of both? What about rebounding- what can women expect to see and feel in their bodies coming off these two drugs?

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    I've always done well on nolva but oh my dear lord I rebounded like a mofo on arimidex when I used it with my first show...to quote Melissa D, it made me blow up, "like opening a can of bisuits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~gymdiva~ View Post
    I've always done well on nolva but oh my dear lord I rebounded like a mofo on arimidex when I used it with my first show...to quote Melissa D, it made me blow up, "like opening a can of bisuits!"
    Water retention or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SallyAnne View Post
    You are not the only woman who 'bridges'. I have talked to many online who do the same. I only started using AAS in 2006 and at conservative doses. After prep was over in 2007, I took a break from everything just because I felt tired of it all, to be honest. What I found interesting is that I actually felt my body "right" itself after a couple of months. It's hard to explain what that means, but I am very in tune with my body (as we all should be when running AAS) and saw the little changes in things like how my skin & hair felt, the rate at which my hair grew, my period coming back, etc. It further helped me understand the differences in my body between "on" and "off".

    The body will always normalize and bounce back after a little while. Even men who shut themselves down by running androgens with no test bounce back eventually. The adjustment period can be psychologically taxing, so running PCT ensures that things normalize quicker making it a smoother transition. But that is the beauty of the human body. Cells regenerate and everything will fix itself eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    anyone price arimidex? holy smokes!
    You are getting it from the wrong guys then.
    I fuck stallions! I should be owned by a goddamn Middle Eastern Sheik!!!

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    I would not mess with any liquid shit. Liquid Adex and LiquiNol I would stay away from because the drug is never evenly suspended within the liquid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allifit View Post
    Water retention or what?

    definitely that and just my body being all kinds of confused trying to level out...I don't typically get that on nolva when I taper off after a show...

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    i think as long as you taper it your fine. stopping it cold turkey i have heard is where the rebounding can occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    i think as long as you taper it your fine. stopping it cold turkey i have heard is where the rebounding can occur.
    By taper do you mean reducing the dosage and/or frequency of use? How long does your "taper" usually last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    In women, you have to look at the sources of estrogen production. The primary one is the ovaries, with secondary coming from androgens produced by the adrenals, which convert to estrogen. A 3rd source could be aromatizing AAS like Test Prop, deca, etc.

    In the body, an AI like arimidex is used to operate on androgens that convert (aromatize) to estrogen. So places this would happen naturally would be the adrenals and artificially from injected androgens (e.g. AAS).

    So that's why guys would use Adex for any steroid that aromatizes to reduce the amount of resulting estrogen. But we also note that too much AI and their muscle growth is limited a bit because some estrogen is still needed to grow. For women, Adex would be useful if they are on an aromatizing steroid, or are post-menopausal when the predominant source of estrogen is that converted from adrenal-created androgens.

    This is also supported by the breast cancer research that recommends Nolvadex as the protocol for pre-menopausal women and adex for post-menopausal. And for pre-menopausal women using Nolvadex, to switch over to Adex after 2 yrs on Nolva. The implied assumption is that after 2 yrs on Nolva, you've been pushed into early menopause and can now be treated like a post-menoapausal patient.
    also too much AI and you can get some bone resorbtion. Tamoxifen is what is called a "partial agonist," meaning it does bind and activate estrogen receptors a little bit, just much less than estrogen.

    With tamoxifen you dont get the problems with bone resorbtion/bone loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pangloss View Post
    also too much AI and you can get some bone resorbtion. Tamoxifen is what is called a "partial agonist," meaning it does bind and activate estrogen receptors a little bit, just much less than estrogen.

    With tamoxifen you dont get the problems with bone resorbtion/bone loss.
    Long term AI usage in certain genetically predisposed women speeds up the onset of osteoporosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistersteel View Post
    SallyAnne

    I will run bloodwork regularly and so far, besides the increased hair growth and irregular periods, I am healthy as a horse.

    SS
    SS I like your attitude, I want to ask you about this certain thing, you mentioned that you do regularly blood tests and they come ok, are the numbers within the normal range or a lil bit higher?

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    This is what the British National Formulary says about these drugs:

    Arimidex/Anastrozole

    Cautions: not for pre-menopausal women/not for women with susceptibility to osteoporosis

    Contra-indications: moderate or severe hepatic (liver) disease; moderate or severe renal (kidney) disease

    Side effects: hot flushes, vaginal dryness, vaginal bleeding, hair thinning, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, headache, arthralgia (joint pain), bone fractures, rash, asthenia (physical weakness and loss of strength), drowsiness, slight increases in total cholesterol, very rarely allergic reactions including angioedema (swelling of skin) and anaphylaxis (closing of throat/severe allergy)

    Dose: 1 mg daily

    It is expensive, the NHS pays £ 68.56 for a one month supply.

    Nolvadex/Tamoxifen

    This is prescribed to pre-menopausal women

    Cautions: occasional cycstic ovarian swelling, endometrial (lining of the uterus) changes, porphyrias (problems with manufacturing haemoglobin)

    Contra indications: pregnancy and advise non-hormonal birth control pills

    Side effects: hot flushes, vaginal bleeding and vaginal discharge, suppression of menstruation in some pre-menopausal women, pruitus vulvae (some yucky skin disorder that itches), gastrointestinal disturbances (upset stomach and gas?), headache, light-headedness, tumour flare, decreased platelet counts, occasionally oedema (water retention), alopecia (hair loss), uterine fibroids, visual disturbances including corneal changes, cataracts, retinopathy, leucopenia (fewer white cells which fight infection) sometimes with anaemia and thrombocytopenia (fewer red blood cells and platelets), hypertriglyceraemia (higher levels of trig in blood), thromboembolitic events reported (throwing a blood clot), liver enzyme changes

    Dose: breast cancer 20 mg daily

    anovulartory infertility: 20 mg daily on day 2, 3, 4, and 5 of cycle

    A 20 mg tablet packet with 30 tabs = £ 1.66

    Astra Zenica Nolvadex-D 20 mg 30 tab pack = £ 8.71

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