Finally on

[livingthedream]

Oh it's on
first cycle
started lasted 10 days ago sustanon 250mg 2x week and eq 250mg 2x week. I front loaded in the first week.
Feeling awesome strength and physique are going in the right way.
Plan to be on 12 weeks. Goals are to increase cardio while still gaining Lbm. I race triathlon. And I end up putting in tons of time running biking and swimming. Anyone have any tips for gaining while race training
Thanks all.

[78up]

Goals are to increase cardio while still gaining Lbm.

Your goals contradict themselves. Do you lift? Wouldnt EPO be a better choice?

[livingthedream]

Yes I lift usually 4-5 sessions per week. Plus 2 bikes 2 runs 2 swims.

[ToddinWC]

what's your definition of front loading? I usually front load a vial or 2 of prop for 2-3 weeks while I wait for my longer esters to kick in....Run the EQ longer than 12 weeks,....any AI?

[livingthedream]

I front loaded by taking 250 mg of each every other day tuesday will be my last of the front load.
My ai is .5 arimadex eod.
this is my first cycle think I should still continue past 12 weeks.?

[juiceinator3000]

Hate to break it to you but you're not feeling anything but placebo yet. Especially from eq.

[livingthedream]

I figured it was a little soon but I don't really care. Any simple ways to tell if I am on too much or too little adex? Without blood work

[juiceinator3000]

I figured it was a little soon but I don't really care. Any simple ways to tell if I am on too much or too little adex? Without blood work

On 500 sust a week .25 to .5 eod is sufficient

[fishmeat]

Yes,... juicy is correct. As u can always adjust from there ...

[Bryan Hildebrand]

eat. eat eat eat. eat clean foods, tons of protein.

[chrisotpherm]

Imo you are going to have to extend out the eq to at least 14-16 for real benefit. Your AI dosing looks good.

[livingthedream]

That's great to hear cuz I love to eat.! Thanks all.

[livingthedream]

Is it more difficult to recover from a 16 week than 12.? Or other consequences to staying on an extra 4 weeks.?

[chrisotpherm]

That is really a tough question to answer brother as to everyone's body make up is different. I could recover just as easy from a 20, 16, or 12 AI cycle as another may not. This one of those things that you have to play with and unfortunately your body is the test subject. However I will add that as long as you monitor you monitor your body through bp and blood work checks, use your AI you most likely recover just fine. I would even recommend using HCG during cycle to help with testies atrophy. 500iu twice weekly weekly imo would be fine and as you hit the later part in your cycle pay attention to the size of them and if they are not at a comfortable size throw another 500iu into the mix.

What is your protocol?

[ToddinWC]

Front loading with Sustanon doesn't really make sense unless you were attempting to utilize the faster esters of test in your blend...AI dosing protocols are the hardest thing to gauge IMO but they are necessary..I usually don't take anything until I feel nipple sensitivity or extreme bloat..If that occurs, I'll take one 25mg dose of Aromasin maybe only once a week...You don't want to completely wipe out your estrogen as it will hinder your gains and make you feel like shit...Also, I disagree with whoever said that you feeling the cycle already is placebo...After one shot of prop, 2 hours later I notice increased strength and better nitrogen retention..it is not placebo...

[GottaGetLean]

Front loading with Sustanon doesn't really make sense unless you were attempting to utilize the faster esters of test in your blend...AI dosing protocols are the hardest thing to gauge IMO but they are necessary..I usually don't take anything until I feel nipple sensitivity or extreme bloat..If that occurs, I'll take one 25mg dose of Aromasin maybe only once a week...You don't want to completely wipe out your estrogen as it will hinder your gains and make you feel like shit...Also, I disagree with whoever said that you feeling the cycle already is placebo...After one shot of prop, 2 hours later I notice increased strength and better nitrogen retention..it is not placebo...

Lol.

[livingthedream]

Let's approach my question a little different. For those of you who compete some of you have said you actuAlly were able to grow through prep and into the show. What have you found tO work best.
Thanks for the input so far

[world-pharma]

hows your diet man?

[juiceinator3000]

Front loading with Sustanon doesn't really make sense unless you were attempting to utilize the faster esters of test in your blend...AI dosing protocols are the hardest thing to gauge IMO but they are necessary..I usually don't take anything until I feel nipple sensitivity or extreme bloat..If that occurs, I'll take one 25mg dose of Aromasin maybe only once a week...You don't want to completely wipe out your estrogen as it will hinder your gains and make you feel like shit...Also, I disagree with whoever said that you feeling the cycle already is placebo...After one shot of prop, 2 hours later I notice increased strength and better nitrogen retention..it is not placebo...

After a 30mg shot of prop you feel it.. Wow. And I thought I was a mess.....

[s2h]

500mg of sust will put anyone well above the range as far as e2 is concerned...waiting to "feel" any e2 sides means your way past due for an AI..25mg of aromasin ew isnt going to cut it..get some bw as you will know were your at..

[juiceinator3000]

500mg of sust will put anyone well above the range as far as e2 is concerned...waiting to "feel" any e2 sides means your way past due for an AI..25mg of aromasin ew isnt going to cut it..get some bw as you will know were your at..

I was only referring to feeling like you're on a cycle after ten days. Of sust.

[ToddinWC]

I'm aware that the ONLY way to accurately gauge your e2 levels is with bloodwork, but I've NEVER run into any trouble on/after cycle judging primarily through self-observation...Everyone is different and just like exercise you need to find out through trial and error what works for you...Just think about all of the retarded cycle advice you hear on boards from bros and regular gym rats...I'm no expert, but I've run plenty of cycles with moderate dosages and have never had problems on cycle or during my pct and have always recovered fine...My pct is just clomid therapy..I usually get bloodwork a few weeks after pct...

Even after injecting a longer ester of test, I feel and notice the effects much faster than most people...Maybe I'm more self-aware or my androgen receptors are more sensitive? Regardless, I think people get WAAAAYYYY to caught up in AI and pct therapy...I can understand the addition of an aggressive pct utilizing hcg and other ancillaries BUT alot of these protocols cause further problems down the road and host more side effects than the cycle itself...

[s2h]

I'm aware that the ONLY way to accurately gauge your e2 levels is with bloodwork, but I've NEVER run into any trouble on/after cycle judging primarily through self-observation...Everyone is different and just like exercise you need to find out through trial and error what works for you...Just think about all of the retarded cycle advice you hear on boards from bros and regular gym rats...I'm no expert, but I've run plenty of cycles with moderate dosages and have never had problems on cycle or during my pct and have always recovered fine...My pct is just clomid therapy..I usually get bloodwork a few weeks after pct...

Even after injecting a longer ester of test, I feel and notice the effects much faster than most people...Maybe I'm more self-aware or my androgen receptors are more sensitive? Regardless, I think people get WAAAAYYYY to caught up in AI and pct therapy...I can understand the addition of an aggressive pct utilizing hcg and other ancillaries BUT alot of these protocols cause further problems down the road and host more side effects than the cycle itself...

I think if you got some on cycle bw you may rethink it.....maybe if your e2 is at a more optimum level you could respond even better...

[GottaGetLean]

I'm aware that the ONLY way to accurately gauge your e2 levels is with bloodwork, but I've NEVER run into any trouble on/after cycle judging primarily through self-observation...Everyone is different and just like exercise you need to find out through trial and error what works for you...Just think about all of the retarded cycle advice you hear on boards from bros and regular gym rats...I'm no expert, but I've run plenty of cycles with moderate dosages and have never had problems on cycle or during my pct and have always recovered fine...My pct is just clomid therapy..I usually get bloodwork a few weeks after pct...

Even after injecting a longer ester of test, I feel and notice the effects much faster than most people...Maybe I'm more self-aware or my androgen receptors are more sensitive? Regardless, I think people get WAAAAYYYY to caught up in AI and pct therapy...I can understand the addition of an aggressive pct utilizing hcg and other ancillaries BUT alot of these protocols cause further problems down the road and host more side effects than the cycle itself...

Sorry to break this to you, but you actually fall into the category of retarded cycle advice.

[juiceinator3000]

Must spread reps...

[bushmaster]

Must spread reps...

X2....

[caribeman]

Oh lord....

[ToddinWC]

That's an opinion relating to my supposed "retarded cycle advice" ...I personally think that all of your HCG rants and protocol thread are "retarded cycle advice"...

[jnickels]

uh-oh it's getting hot in here!

[GottaGetLean]

That's an opinion relating to my supposed "retarded cycle advice" ...I personally think that all of your HCG rants and protocol thread are "retarded cycle advice"...

My hcg protocols are based of real life studies and the basic science of how the human body works. I'd love to hear your explanation on how it's retarded.

[caribeman]

That's an opinion relating to my supposed "retarded cycle advice" ...I personally think that all of your HCG rants and protocol thread are "retarded cycle advice"...

Oh it's on now.....

[fishmeat]

Ahh fuck....

[bushmaster]

That's an opinion relating to my supposed "retarded cycle advice" ...I personally think that all of your HCG rants and protocol thread are "retarded cycle advice"...

Post pics or your advice sucks.

[joe d]

which one the 250iu 2x per week or the 500iu 2x per week?
just messing with you.

i dont like the idea of staying on hcg all the time. i also dont like the idea of only using an ai when i feel symptoms of high estro but plenty of people do both.

[GottaGetLean]

which one the 250iu 2x per week or the 500iu 2x per week?
just messing with you.

i dont like the idea of staying on hcg all the time. i also dont like the idea of only using an ai when i feel symptoms of high estro but plenty of people do both.

hcg year round is for champions.

[world-pharma]

post pics to see results.

[s2h]

I was only referring to feeling like you're on a cycle after ten days. Of sust.

It wasnt meant for your post...sorry!!

[livingthedream]

Pretty sure it's not placebo now. Bench my old 1rm is up 10 lbs for 3reps. All other lifts are up. My runs and bike rides are much faster too. Basically I feel amazing! And my weight is going up. Thanks all

[livingthedream]

Did a 33km bike burning1250 calories. A 30 minute bike ride. And just crushed an awesome back workout. To make up my cals I ate the biggest manwhich ever. Take an Italian loaf cut the top off and pull out the bread. Grill 3 steaks and 1lb bacon and layer steak cheese bacon cheese steak cheese bacon cheese. Then compress with a board and 100 lbs weight. Freekin delicious.!
Later all thanks

[fishmeat]

That boy done lost his fuckin mind ..............