anavar, primo and winny

[LisaRD23]

the one in blue is nattie, the other anavar only. 1st time.

Nice

[musclemilf]

Anavar is listed as being a good "gain keeper". Also since you can run it long and low dose, it gives your body a longer chance to acclimate to the gains you do make. Since its not like you're gaining 20 additional lb of mass on a var cycle, its not an unreasonable amount for you body to acclimate to over, e.g. a 12 week cycle. Also a big part of any AAS is just the recovery ability so you are improving your body's ability to recover and rebuild from the training sessions.

Its an ongoing journey. I'd venture that if you ate a very targeted diet and went balls to the wall after a very targeted hypertrophy program, you could make at least near comparable gains. Every time you make a change to your program your body is going to respond, but the longer you pay maintain your basic routine of eating sufficiently and training sufficeintly, you will produce and maintain "gains". IMO the worst thing to expect from a cycle is that its the only way to "get gains" and then to think you have to be "on" all the time to maintain gains. Its a journey in the sense that you will always continue to be cycling your diet, your training, your recovery to move forward.

Thank you very much for your succinct reply. I'm 2 years post meno (yay!) and I'm in my mid-40's (I was an early menopauser). I'm thinking of using topical test for other "issues", but I'm wondering if the topical test will somehow interfer or amplify the effects of Anavar. Oh and another question, I was thinking of using half of the recommended dose, 5mg per day versus 10mg. Will I get *some* effect out of 5mgs (2.5 am and 2.5 pm) versus 10mgs?


BTW - I've been weighlifting consistently for 19 years. There's alot to be said for good ol muscle maturity

[Krcz]

the one in blue is nattie, the other anavar only. 1st time.

The difference between pics is amazing. Would you mind sharing what was your diet (calories,macros) and training like?

[tammyp]

The difference between pics is amazing. Would you mind sharing what was your diet (calories,macros) and training like?

well that was in 06,so i cant really remember. i did a 12 week bulk with it. training each bp 2 x a week. after 12 weeks, went into contest mode w/ it. started at 10 mg and bumped to 20 as i went.

[Krcz]

Thank you

[LisaRD23]

.... i did a 12 week bulk with it. training each bp 2 x a week. after 12 weeks, went into contest mode w/ it. started at 10 mg and bumped to 20 as i went.

So how many total weeks did you stay "on", about 24?

[tight booty]

the one in blue is nattie, the other anavar only. 1st time.

Wow, I love your legs!

[tammyp]

So how many total weeks did you stay "on", about 24?

i think about that. i went 2 weeks longer that season since i qualified for nationals...i ran it feb through end of june i think.

[LisaRD23]

In addition to the tablets, I've also heard of "paper-var", any thoughts on the quality between the two?

[Krcz]

Unless you're buying it from a trusted source, I wouldn't bother.

[tammyp]

i used paper for a long time..loved it...but hes since been busted.

[LisaRD23]

Thanks for all the info. I'm still on the fence...

[jk25]

SS might speak differently to the "pct" but with those, they're not very exotic so I'm gonna say no need for tapering off. Mostly watch the diet post-show - i.e. don't plan a massive feeding frenzy after the show is over because that will cause the bigger rebound than anything else.

Otherwise there shouldn't be any sort of rebound. Primo takes 5 weeks to clear and var takes about 3 weeks. (i.e. detection time). Its not like you come off and all of a sudden its out of your body.

If you're seeing water retention from either of these be judicious in providing enough time for it to clear so it doesn't contribute to your peak week water manipulation. For figure, its probably less of a big deal, but still... I'm a big believer in keeping things very simple when you're pushing your body to the extremes.

Is there any anti-estrogens (e.g. nolva) involved? That's where you'd see more of a rebound situation.

Hi Sassy!

Well, 4 weeks post-show happy to report that there was ZERO REBOUND! Diet is clean with some cheats here and there, but nothing major and bodyweight has gone unchanged since the show. NICE!

More questions about Primo (for anyone who can answer)....

Wanted to ask about bloatting. Besides the substantial H20 retention, is it typical for Primo to cause bloating and a feeling of tightening around the ab wall? If so, is there anything that can help reduce this? When doing a building program, in your opinion, should ab work be reduced for fear of overdevelopement? Do you think the bloat issue and abdominal work go hand-in-hand?

Also, what are the risks of toxicity (long term or otherwise) and are there any herbal supplements (besides milk thistle and typical antioxidants) that can be taken as a support on a cycle of P?


.... Lastly, I was told by a reputable source that because Anavar is not "oil based" it can actually be run FOREVER (low dose), if someone actually wanted to do that. I think that sounds crazy, no?

[sassy69]

Hi Sassy!

Well, 4 weeks post-show happy to report that there was ZERO REBOUND! Diet is clean with some cheats here and there, but nothing major and bodyweight has gone unchanged since the show. NICE!

Awesome! My best recomendation is just to have some sort of plan so you aren't free-floating -that tends to be when people get off track.

More questions about Primo (for anyone who can answer)....

Wanted to ask about bloatting. Besides the substantial H20 retention, is it typical for Primo to cause bloating and a feeling of tightening around the ab wall? If so, is there anything that can help reduce this? When doing a building program, in your opinion, should ab work be reduced for fear of overdevelopement? Do you think the bloat issue and abdominal work go hand-in-hand?

These thoughts are kinda all over the place so I don't really know how to answer them. You shouldn't experience water retention from primo due to conversion. You shouldn't experience any bloating. The only reason I made the comment above is that regardless of what "should" or "should not" happen, if you have any part of your protocol that you suspect is affecting your water, you need to drop it at 10-14 days out from your show date so it doesn't affect your water manipulation.

"Fear of ab work" - um... IMO you gotta be doing a hellabunch of ab work if you think you're getting overdeveloped. Heavy DLs could be an issue. If you're short and already have thick abs it might cause you to start appearing thicker. Your call I guess. No shouldn't have anything to do w/ bloat... not sure I understand your reasoning there so can't really answer.

Also, what are the risks of toxicity (long term or otherwise) and are there any herbal supplements (besides milk thistle and typical antioxidants) that can be taken as a support on a cycle of P?

Risk w/ primo is the same as w/ any other AAS if you continue to use or abuse.

I'd recommend including acidophilus w/ any AAs cycle as well because they can cause the balance of good/bad vaginal bacteria to get thrown off, resulting in vaginosis / yeast infection.

Primo (and other aas) can cause hair to fall out - Nizoral shampoo helps reduce this, but hair will come back after the cycle is over and the compound clears.

.... Lastly, I was told by a reputable source that because Anavar is not "oil based" it can actually be run FOREVER (low dose), if someone actually wanted to do that. I think that sounds crazy, no?

Anavar is used as a treatment for wasting diseases like HIV / AIDS and other medical uses. Sure you could Don't see the point in doing it just because you can tho.

[ReneeK]

Has anyone ever used liquid var?