anavar, primo and winny

**s2h** · 09-22-2010, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by sassy69

How long would you run that cycle?

due to it being a short acting propionate ester i would go 4-6 weeks for a unexperienced user and as much as 8-10 for a exp. user....

**crossbellas** · 09-22-2010, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by s2h

mast is a derieved from DHT as is anavar..the difference is mast is modified with a 2-methyl group giving it a increase in anabolic properties making it a significantly more effective at growing muscle tissue than anavar a non-methylated drug...sides are going to more prononced with mast than anavar...50mg's of mast EW broken down into 2-3 injections is a good start...

Thanks for your input. She is 48 and 5-2 @ 140lbs and has been putting on good muscle. She has only done var to date, so do you think that it should be like 20 mgs twice a wk or maybe 10mgs eod? She does hold a little water with the var, So that will prolly be worse with the mast?

**s2h** · 09-22-2010, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by crossbellas

Thanks for your input. She is 48 and 5-2 @ 140lbs and has been putting on good muscle. She has only done var to date, so do you think that it should be like 20 mgs twice a wk or maybe 10mgs eod? She does hold a little water with the var, So that will prolly be worse with the mast?

shoulnt be to bad with them together...20mgs twice a week will be a good start but with a short ester 3 times might be more optimal..are you gonna have her run the var also?at 48 is she pre-menupausal or through already?she will most likely see some clitoral enlargemant,higher sex drive and some voice changes and maybe some hair increase..but not everyone is the same so the sides can and will vary..keep me posted...fyi make sure your source is a reliable one...mast is often supp'd with test by some UG guys to make it cheaper so be carefull in that regard..

**crossbellas** · 09-23-2010, 09:58 AM

I really apreciate your help and you are right, You never know what you are buying and injecting from these places. I have actually used this stuff and its clean and did harden me up. I guess switching from e to prop could do a little hardening though.
As far as sides, she has had mild enlargement and very suddle voice change and peach fuzz with the var, but nothing dramatic. When she came off for awhile she noticed some hairloss. She is pre menopausal.
I was gonna try and switch anavar for the masteron because my source is out of var at the moment and I have masteron laying around that I use toward the end of my cycle to harden up and keep my strength up when I drop my pinks and deca and switch to prop from e.

**GeminiJedi** · 09-24-2010, 03:13 PM

Has anyone ever heard of increased diameter of the red blood cells caused by Var or any other AAS?

**LookImDancinCrazy!** · 09-24-2010, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by GeminiJedi

Has anyone ever heard of increased diameter of the red blood cells caused by Var or any other AAS?

Sure. Not uncommon at all.

**figurehopefull** · 12-10-2010, 02:51 PM

If you have been taking 10mg Var for a week now, but just once in the am.....is it to late to break it up and do 5 am 5 pm? i see a lot of people saying to split, but i havent. is my body already used to the 10 at once?

**NubianBeauty** · 12-12-2010, 08:45 PM

It is fine to divide the dose now. You won't notice anything. It is best to dose every 8 hrs though. Can you do 6am, 2pm, 10pm?

**sassy69** · 12-13-2010, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by NubianBeauty

It is fine to divide the dose now. You won't notice anything. It is best to dose every 8 hrs though. Can you do 6am, 2pm, 10pm?

Given 10 mg tabs (assuming tabs), these can be split in half fairly cleanly which gives you 2 x 5 mg. Dosing 3x/day would most easily lead to 15 mg / day. Var has a 9 hour half-life so 8 hr intervals in dosing would optimally match to reduce spikes in dosing. Generally people suggest 2x / day (12 hr dosing ) for convenience (both in timing and in ability to split a 10 mg tab).

**sharons69** · 01-14-2011, 07:02 PM

hi everyone...i'm sure you've answered this already but i haven't seen it..i just started using anavar 10 mg split 2 x day..but i was wondering what i can stack with it to build my muscles without any side effects...i'll be doing my first figure show in april 2011 if my body is ready.i workout 5 x week and i'm 41.never taken anything before..i am typically 119lbs but im starting to feel heavier also..

..input is greatly appreciated..thanx!!

**s2h** · 01-14-2011, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by sharons69

hi everyone...i'm sure you've answered this already but i haven't seen it..i just started using anavar 10 mg split 2 x day..but i was wondering what i can stack with it to build my muscles without any side effects...i'll be doing my first figure show in april 2011 if my body is ready.i workout 5 x week and i'm 41.never taken anything before..i am typically 119lbs but im starting to feel heavier also..

..input is greatly appreciated..thanx!!

your gonna get some sides most likely no matter how small your dosing is...espc with females your not gonna know until you run them..sides will vary on a person to person basis..theres know real way to know the effects til you try..keep a journal about your supps,diet and training to reference in the future..

**sassy69** · 01-14-2011, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by sharons69

hi everyone...i'm sure you've answered this already but i haven't seen it..i just started using anavar 10 mg split 2 x day..but i was wondering what i can stack with it to build my muscles without any side effects...i'll be doing my first figure show in april 2011 if my body is ready.i workout 5 x week and i'm 41.never taken anything before..i am typically 119lbs but im starting to feel heavier also..

..input is greatly appreciated..thanx!!

Pretty much what s2h said - you're altering your basic hormone profile. You're getting "sides" w/ your anavar stack whether or not you can "see" them. Given that anavar is really the only AAS that is "reliable" (for the most part - even it is not guaranteed), ANYTHING else you try to throw on top will introduce sides. When it comes to self-medicating w/ hormones, ain't nuttin for free. This is why it is incredibly important that you know what you're doing when you start throwing other stuff into the mix and more importantly you need to be prepared to own both the results and the sides. You can't pick and choose what you want. If you aren't willing to accept the sides (which is your own personal experiment in itself), then basically you have no business playing w/ the drugs at all. Welcome to the dark side.

Two directions you could take it are increase your anavar dosing to e.g. 15 mg/day, possibly 20 mg/day. Again no guarantee about increase in sides but at least anavar is something you're already using (so you know how you react) and it has a short half-life / detection time so you can increase, or subsequently reduce your dosing.

The other direction is to stack w/ growth hormone (e.g. 1-2 iu / day). It works to support your recovery and 'enhances' the effects of the var. (Noting in and of itself, gh doesn't 'build muscle' becaues it isn't a testosterone hormone, but it sort of 'improves' your body's ability to do everything optimally. A note on this is that gh can get expensive and takes a while to 'work'. I.e. its not really operating on the same 'cycle schedule' as most AAS.

A third option if your goal is to build quality lean muscle mass w/o sides, look to your foundation diet & training for ways to optimize - i.e. dont' just rely on the drugs. Protein is always your best anabolic. "More" AAS doesn't necessarily mean better results. The fact that you're running var in the first place allows you much improved ability to recover, so you can put more into your foundation program - diet & training. When you're already inside your 16 week prep, this becomes something of a challenge - you've got some time to 'build' via increased diet & training before you start cutting. But otherwise you can't expect to jack up your steroid intake and not have sides.

**tammyp** · 01-15-2011, 10:25 AM

what sides can you live with is the question. everything has sides. IMO a figure girl doesnt need gear, var at most. if you think you do maybe you need to give it more time, alter training program and diet. i also find many girls wayyy over cardio. if you get your ducks in a row( meaning cal surplus heavy training and no cardio), that var should give you good gains.

**sassy69** · 01-15-2011, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by tammyp

what sides can you live with is the question. everything has sides. IMO a figure girl doesnt need gear, var at most. if you think you do maybe you need to give it more time, alter training program and diet. i also find many girls wayyy over cardio. if you get your ducks in a row( meaning cal surplus heavy training and no cardio), that var should give you good gains.

Since you're already within the typical 4 months of contest prep, it becomes important to set reasonable expectations as to how much you can build while you're also starting to dial in for switch to a cutting phase. For future reference I would suggest you schedule your off-season for some specific bulking to develop the muscle you want. Trying to force develop muscles on short notice and then dieting down sorta negates the growth phase. The muscle you maintain is the muscle that your body has already adapted to supporting.

**Fitness4Fun03** · 01-22-2011, 01:12 PM

I'm prepping for my show in March and I'm 8 weeks out from show. I am a figure competitor in the F class. So, I am 5'10" and currently weighing in at 150. My last show I came in at 137 and was happy with the results.

I have previously run Var / Clen / T3 and had good results, but this year it has been harder to get a hold of what I have used in the past. I currently have 50 mg Winnie Tabs and about 4 weeks worth of clen. I was hoping for some advice on how to run the Winnie and clen together for the next 8 weeks.

I would greatly appreciate the help!! Thank you!!