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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh Penman View Post
    One thing...Turanabol does have an effect on the ovaries...not so good.
    What "effect on the ovaries" is that Leigh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    At 9 weeks, the diet should start driving the final run into cuts ville, but var will support the cut & prevent muscle loss. Primo is also a good cutter tho 9 weeks is just inside of what I'd consider too short of a cycle w/ primo. What does it mean "1/2 of 25 mg Primo"? I'm gonna guess primo tabs? W/ those I don't know so much about how the dosing compares w/ standard inject primo. Primo takes about 5 weeks just to show itself, but it doesn't convert so is also good for dialing in & hardening up.
    This is great information, thank you! Actually, the Primo started at 11 weeks out (1/2 of a tab, ed), but had NO CLUE that it takes 5 weeks to begin to show. Yes, sides are might stronger as is the hardining, so definately thinking about removing that 10 days before show date. Anavar seems to hold more water, but was thinking about removing that just 3 days before show date.

    Q - Any way to re-run one of the two, or taper off just after the show date, in order to reduce rebound effects? What kind of rebound would one expect from this stack?

    THANKS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jk25 View Post
    This is great information, thank you! Actually, the Primo started at 11 weeks out (1/2 of a tab, ed), but had NO CLUE that it takes 5 weeks to begin to show. Yes, sides are might stronger as is the hardining, so definately thinking about removing that 10 days before show date. Anavar seems to hold more water, but was thinking about removing that just 3 days before show date.

    Q - Any way to re-run one of the two, or taper off just after the show date, in order to reduce rebound effects? What kind of rebound would one expect from this stack?

    THANKS!!
    SS might speak differently to the "pct" but with those, they're not very exotic so I'm gonna say no need for tapering off. Mostly watch the diet post-show - i.e. don't plan a massive feeding frenzy after the show is over because that will cause the bigger rebound than anything else.

    Otherwise there shouldn't be any sort of rebound. Primo takes 5 weeks to clear and var takes about 3 weeks. (i.e. detection time). Its not like you come off and all of a sudden its out of your body.

    If you're seeing water retention from either of these be judicious in providing enough time for it to clear so it doesn't contribute to your peak week water manipulation. For figure, its probably less of a big deal, but still... I'm a big believer in keeping things very simple when you're pushing your body to the extremes.

    Is there any anti-estrogens (e.g. nolva) involved? That's where you'd see more of a rebound situation.
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    Sassy,
    in your own opinion and experience, would you reccommend Anavar, gh or winnie for weight loss, to tighten / harden up and maintain muscle for a comp in 12 weeks time?

    Was told by my ex at the weekend (who compeates himself) to stay away from winnie and go more for gh or anavar for weight loss and tighten up.

    Slightly confued as to what to stick with and how long to run it for?
    will be running along side t3's and clen

    my stat's are:
    26, 5'2, 147lb, BF 30-40% - got show in 12 weeks, legs and bum let me down everytime in comps and need a good supplement/drug to help tighten me up and need to sort it asap!

    No one locally knows about the female side of bb. i know you have a show in a few days but any help would be greatly appreaciated.

    many thanks in advance
    Lil-Minx x x x

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil-minx View Post
    Sassy,
    in your own opinion and experience, would you reccommend Anavar, gh or winnie for weight loss, to tighten / harden up and maintain muscle for a comp in 12 weeks time?

    Was told by my ex at the weekend (who compeates himself) to stay away from winnie and go more for gh or anavar for weight loss and tighten up.

    Slightly confued as to what to stick with and how long to run it for?
    will be running along side t3's and clen

    my stat's are:
    26, 5'2, 147lb, BF 30-40% - got show in 12 weeks, legs and bum let me down everytime in comps and need a good supplement/drug to help tighten me up and need to sort it asap!

    No one locally knows about the female side of bb. i know you have a show in a few days but any help would be greatly appreaciated.

    many thanks in advance
    Lil-Minx x x x
    if your bf is really 30-40% you need a lot more time then 12 weeks
    and drugs aren't the answer
    you should start prep at more like 15% maybe 20%

    none of these drugs "tighten" you up diet and cardio tighten you up
    gh is LONG term for weight loss 3 months before really start getting amy effects

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    Question on Anavar:

    From what I've been reading I see this drug is best used during a cutting phase, not a bulking phase. Does that mean it would not be wise to run a cycle during off season when trying to add muscle...a "clean" gaining phase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LisaRD23 View Post
    Question on Anavar:

    From what I've been reading I see this drug is best used during a cutting phase, not a bulking phase. Does that mean it would not be wise to run a cycle during off season when trying to add muscle...a "clean" gaining phase?
    for modest gains its great. used if off season through prep my 1st time and added about 6-8 lbs of lbm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    for modest gains its great. used if off season through prep my 1st time and added about 6-8 lbs of lbm.
    Nice gains. Where you able to keep most of it once you ended the cycle and then started dieting down?

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    i dont get why people dont think you keep your gains. eat well and train year round itd not a problem. maybe for ronnie coleman...but not us

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    i dont get why people dont think you keep your gains. eat well and train year round itd not a problem. maybe for ronnie coleman...but not us
    Thanks for the info. I'm thinking about running a cycle, but I am a 1st timer. So I am still researching and trying to decide.

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    that is a great first choice lisa. and all you really need for figure. its still my favorite.

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    the one in blue is nattie, the other anavar only. 1st time. the blue i was 100 lbs, the other 108. and in much better condition.
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    Thank you Tammy for showing the before and after photos. I've been toying with the same idea as Lisa. I was wondering too if the gains are maintained as well after going off a cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclemilf View Post
    Thank you Tammy for showing the before and after photos. I've been toying with the same idea as Lisa. I was wondering too if the gains are maintained as well after going off a cycle.
    Anavar is listed as being a good "gain keeper". Also since you can run it long and low dose, it gives your body a longer chance to acclimate to the gains you do make. Since its not like you're gaining 20 additional lb of mass on a var cycle, its not an unreasonable amount for you body to acclimate to over, e.g. a 12 week cycle. Also a big part of any AAS is just the recovery ability so you are improving your body's ability to recover and rebuild from the training sessions.

    Its an ongoing journey. I'd venture that if you ate a very targeted diet and went balls to the wall after a very targeted hypertrophy program, you could make at least near comparable gains. Every time you make a change to your program your body is going to respond, but the longer you pay maintain your basic routine of eating sufficiently and training sufficeintly, you will produce and maintain "gains". IMO the worst thing to expect from a cycle is that its the only way to "get gains" and then to think you have to be "on" all the time to maintain gains. Its a journey in the sense that you will always continue to be cycling your diet, your training, your recovery to move forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    the one in blue is nattie, the other anavar only. 1st time.
    Thats one hell of a difference...especially your quads and shoulders! Looks awesome! Good job!

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