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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    Primobolan
    (methenolone acetate)

    Primobolan is one of those anabolic steroids which has a cult following not unlike the old original version of Masteron. Actually, as you can easily see from itīs anabolic:androgenic ratio below in the profile, itīs a pretty weak steroid but actually stronger(!) than Masteron in both regards. I donīt know anyone who has run both compounds at the same dose. We are probably justified in speculating that youīd probably get similar results from either of them, when you consider the fact that you are getting quite a bit less actual drug and more ester when you choose injectable Primobolan (which has the very long Enanthate ester attached to it) over Masteron (which has the very short propionate ester attached to it). In truth, I think part of the reason many Primobolan users have been disappointed is that they failed to use enough of it, for long enough. From itīs chemical structure and anabolic:androgenic rating, we can assume it is at least as effective as Masteron, on an equal Mg for mg basis. However, due to its ester (in the injectable version), it needs to be run for at least 12 weeks to see the full benefits from it.

    The following dose pertains to men only: When you consider a measly dose of 400mgs of this stuff for 12 weeks will probably cost you around $500.Itīs easy to see why many people have tried to use less...and have been disappointed with their results. On the other hand, many competitive bodybuilders consider Primobolan indespensible to their pre-contest drud routine, and wouldnīt consider dieting without it. Anyway...I think the comparison to Masteron (another great precontest drug) is the best one we can make, with reference to expected gains and results.

    I happen to be one of the few people who have used Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron with the Enanthate ester attached) as well as Methenolone Enanthate (injectable Primobolan). I can tell you that the results from these two compounds, when ester and mg potency are the same, are in fact very similar.
    Effects of Primobolan

    Letīs flesh out some of the various general effects of Primobolan, before we get into the differences between the oral and injectable versions... One study performed on sheep involved administering 100mgs of Methenolone, and electronically stimulating their lats (electronic stimulation was used because they kept falling off the chin-up bars). Anyway, when compared with the lat muscles of sheep who didnīt receive Methenolone, the receiving group gained significantly more muscle mass as well as strength (1)(2). Itīs also has a relatively high affinity for binding to the AR, actually binding better than testosterone (3). This ability to strongly bind to the AR may be why Primobolan is such a good "fat burner." Strong AR binding has been positively correlated with lypolysis (fat-burning) (8).

    In addition, as this steroid can actually aid in reducing breast tumors, no ancillary products need be considered for use with Primobolan, and in fact, it may actually be a useful ancillary agent in itīs own right, similar to Masteron. Also, just like Masteron, Primobolan has no propensity to aromatize (convert to estrogen). Since it doesnīt aromatize, alot of the side effects commonly associated with estrogen will not be of concern. This means water retention, acne, and gyno will be non-existent more or less. this lack of water retention combined with the slow and steady gains provided by Primo may help to explain why it has earned a reputation for creating quality muscle gains. This also helps to explain why it is so expensive. Although estrogenic sides are not a concern, hair loss still, remains a very real concern with Primobolan, as with many DHT-Derived steroids. Many primobolan fans always include Finasteride and Ketoconazole (shampoo) in cycles containing Primobolan.

    Although nobody would ever suggest to use Primobolan as a bulking agent, itīs been studied as an agent to halt wasting and possibly reverse many of the adverse effects of anemia. It is a shocking failure in both areas, according to some of the case studies Iīve read, (5)(6) and this should come to no surprise to anyone. Anadrol reigns supreme in this area, and nobody in the athletic community would ever compare those two drugs. However, Michael Mooney and many other respected doctors who work with AIDS patients have found sufficient evidence to claim that Primobolan is an immune enhancer and as such is very useful for AIDS patients (not that the FDA cares...Primobolan is still not approved for sale in the United States). AIDS patients arenīt really in need of Bulking Drugs, so an immune enhancer like Primo which will add small, quality gains in muscle is perfect for them. And since we arenīt even going to vaguely consider the use of Primobolan as a bulking agent, clearly this leaves us with considering it primarily for use in gaining and maintaining lean tissue. Itīs a great choice for this purpose, and many competitors have used it very successfully to retain muscle while on a calorie reduced diet. The reason Primo is so useful for this purpose is that one of its primary functions is to help your body retain nitrogen (7) at a greatly enhanced rate. The greater your nitrogen retention is, the more muscle you will build. In the case of using primo as a pre-contest drug, this nitrogen retention will help you retain muscle and ensure that your dieting preferentially favors fat loss over muscle loss.

    Primobolan is a very unique steroid, as it is one of the few that comes in both an oral as well as an injectable version. I suppose Winstrol does also, but Primobolan actually has a different ester on the oral (acetate ) and injectable (Enanthate) versions. The oral version is one of the more interesting oral compounds Iīve looked into. For starters, itīs one of the few compounds available to athletes and bodybuilders which is both oral as well as non-17-alpha-alkylation. This alteration is (as Iīm sure you remember from other stuff Iīve written) what generally makes oral steroids survive their first pass through your liver, but also makes them Hepatoxic (Liver toxic). Well... oral Primo doesnīt have this feature, so it is very mild on your liver (actually it basically isnīt liver toxic at all), but also is largely destroyed by it, since 17 beta estrification and 1 alkylation is the method used to make this stuff orally available. Youīll need to take a lot of this stuff for it to be effective... 100mgs/day of the oral version is a safe estimate for reasonable gains& for women, you could get away with less; perhaps 25mgs/day. Even though the acetate ester has a 2-3 day active life, your liver will do some damage to oral primo, so every day dosing will still be necessary.

    When men were given a 30-45mg dose of the oral version of Primo, they experienced a 15-65% decrease in gonadotropin levels (9). Remember, I said 100mgs is a good dose for gains... well, youīll also reduce your gonadotropin levels considerably. I have personally never understood why people recommend either oral or injectable Primobolan as a possible bridging compound for this reason... maybe at a too-low-to-do-anything dose of 10mgs it could be used as a bridge. And forget about using injectable Primo to bridge&

    Hey... speaking about injectable Primo...

    Iīve used this stuff at 200mgs/week and wasnīt very impressed with it. Generally, I think injectable primo needs to be used at a dose of at least 350mgs/week (100mgs/Every other Day), and preferably at a dose of 400-600mgs/week. I happen to like running it with testosterone propionate, but for convenience I would imagine most people would run it with Testosterone Enanthate, to keep dosing times the same (shooting it twice per week, in most cases).
    Buying Primobolan

    The unfortunate truth about injectable Primo is that itīs a very expensive chemical to obtain, and that price is reflected in the cost to the average consumer. Ten dollars per 1ml/100mg ampule is not unheard of, and Iīve seen it go for more. This is, of course, absurd. As if thatīs not enough, this is also the most commonly counterfeited steroids on the black market. I recommend buying Primobolan (either the oral or injectable) from a respected Underground lab instead of trying to play a game of "spot the fake steroid" in Mexico or Europe. The underground versions should cost between $5-7 for 100mgs of Methenolone and I wouldnīt really consider paying more for it, although I have seen the British Dragon version of this product priced up to $20/ml.
    Primobolan Profile

    (Methenolone)

    (Oral Version is + Acetate Ester)
    (Injectable Version is + Enanthate Ester)
    [17beta-Hydroxy-1-methyl-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one]
    Molecular weight of base: 302.4558
    Molecular weight of Acetate ester: 60.0524
    Molecular weight of Enanthate ester: 130.1864
    Formula: C20H30O2
    Melting Point:
    Manufacturer: Schering
    Effective dose(oral): (Men)50-100mgs/day; (Women) 10-25mgs/day
    Effective dose (injectable): (Men) 350-600mgs/week; (
    Tammy,did i read right that your pricing 400mg of primo at $500??
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    Tamy never mind after rereading your post i see it was based on 12 weeks,i thought it was for 1 week,see typical male didnt pay atttention,and didos on your improvements from the blue pic to the other some really nice gains,i find your physique very apealling and well balanced best of luck to you at your next show!!!
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    I have a question about var. I started taking var 2 weeks ago and did about 8 days at 5mg (split into two) and now I'm at 10mg. Anyways, 5 days into my cycle, I developed a rash in my neck but is not very noticeable. At first I thought it was due to a halter top that I wore for Valentine's but it hasn't gone away and is over a week already. The only thing that I have changed in my diet is the var and I added acidophilus and vitamin B5. Besides that, I have not developed any other sides (well, got one pimple on my back that already went away lol!).

    Is this something that is a by product of the var? The rash is at the bottom of my neck and on the sides only.

    TIA!!

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    Try stopping the cycle and see what happens.

    What brand is it ? Is it UG? Sometimes you never know what's in the non-pharma stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    Try stopping the cycle and see what happens.

    What brand is it ? Is it UG? Sometimes you never know what's in the non-pharma stuff.
    Well, it's supposed to be british dragon (I know the original guys are gone but it's supposed to be made by another good supplier). Other people gave great reviews on this var.

    I guess is very hard to find the real pharma stuff so I'm at a loss on how to find it. I know I'm not supposed to ask sources so I'm not asking that haha!

    Would you continue your cycle if you could barely notice it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria View Post
    Well, it's supposed to be british dragon (I know the original guys are gone but it's supposed to be made by another good supplier). Other people gave great reviews on this var.

    I guess is very hard to find the real pharma stuff so I'm at a loss on how to find it. I know I'm not supposed to ask sources so I'm not asking that haha!

    Would you continue your cycle if you could barely notice it?
    Honestly I don't recall ever hearing of anyone experiencing allergic reactions, at least that they posted on the boards, but anything is possible.

    So googling anavar & rash, it is called out as a rare side but can happen:

    http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-5322...me=Anavar+Oral

    --- see the Side Effects tab

    If you feel aggressive, keep running it, maybe Benedryl can help w/ the allergic reaction. If it gets worse stop. You might try a different brand or different cycle.
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    Thanks Sassy for googling that! That's scary man! The rash is not getting worse and is not bad but it is there! I will take some benadryl like you said and see what happens. I will monitor this very closely. I will give you guys an update later.

    Thanks a bunch!

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    Update: The rash is gone even though I didn't stop the var. It was so minimal that I barely noticed it so that's why I kept on going.

    I have another stupid question.... my birthday is at the end of the month and we plan on doing a little bit of partying... how bad is it if I drink 2 or 3 drinks? I usually don't drink at all but I may do it on a special occasion like this. Is it zero tolerance to drink alcohol while you're taking any AAS? I only take 10mg a day. If it's a big no no, then is not a problem not drinking but I do like to get a buzz once or twice a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victoria View Post
    Update: The rash is gone even though I didn't stop the var. It was so minimal that I barely noticed it so that's why I kept on going.

    I have another stupid question.... my birthday is at the end of the month and we plan on doing a little bit of partying... how bad is it if I drink 2 or 3 drinks? I usually don't drink at all but I may do it on a special occasion like this. Is it zero tolerance to drink alcohol while you're taking any AAS? I only take 10mg a day. If it's a big no no, then is not a problem not drinking but I do like to get a buzz once or twice a year
    Glad no more rash issues. That's never fun, no matter what the source.

    RE: one or twice drinking -- it won't kill ya. It will stall any goals you were going after a little so if you're on a schedule that's the biggest effect.

    Drink more water!
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    What exactly would adding nolva do for a female bb, who is running 10mgs var, twice per day? She has been dieting for two weeks and has hardened up a bit, but has 8 wks of cardio and dieting to go. Also, how long is sensible to run the var... and should we wean her or pull it cold turkey?

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    Primo taken at a dose of around 50 -75mg would you expierence a voice change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by homegrown View Post
    Primo taken at a dose of around 50 -75mg would you expierence a voice change?
    Depends on the person , but expect it vs hope it doesn't happen.
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    Would using Var at an upwards of 25 mg for about 5 weeks at the end of prep with no sides what so ever not even acne be any indication??

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    Default Thinking of AAS for a first time

    Hey thinking of taking either anavar, winnie or primo for a first time using AAS. I competed in my first bikinin and then figure competition and had my first experience with dieting. I had a good base to start with as far as a good amount of muscle to start competing in figure. I know that I cant get to where I want naturally and have decided to compete in NPC in 2011 instead of USBF. My last show was three weeks ago and Im still doing cardio 6 days a week and training 5 - 6 days a week as well. I do my cardio early in the am on an empty stomach and my training is as follows normally:
    Mon - Shoulders
    Tues - Back
    Weds - Chest
    Thurs - Legs or Arms
    Friday - shoulders
    Sat - legs or arms

    Diet
    Meal 1 - 1 /2 cup whites, 1 egg, 2 slices ezekial
    Meal 2 - 1/ 2 cup oats , 1 scoop whey
    Meal 3 - 4 oz lean protein, 1 cup veggies, 1/2 cup brown rice
    Meal 4 - 4 oz lean protein, 1 cup veggies, 4 oz sweet potatoes
    Meal 5 - 4 oz lean protein, 1 cup veggies, 1 slice ezekial
    Meal 6 - 1/2 cup whites, 1 egg or 1/2 cup lowfat cottage cheese
    Post workout - 1 scoop whey with 1 scoop waxi

    Please help as I dont know Which AAS to start and whats the safe doseage to start out at..thank you!

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    I'd suggest you spend ALOT of time reading this forum - there's a lot of first-timer questions answered on here.

    My answer is going to be anavar for a first cycle. 5 mg, split in half doses taken 2x/ day (1 am, 1 pm) for the first 2 weeks, and then up to 10 mg. Run for 10-14 weeks. You can run it long at low doses. I dunno what product you'd be using - some of the non-label stuff can be under-dosed, so based on sides & results I'd stay at 10 mg, move up to 15-20 if you feel you need, or back down if you try it and don't like the sides. Anavar tends to get less return on investment > 20 mg and no reason to push it- more isn't better, but rather finding your sweet spot between results & sides.

    I feel like saying make sure you get good recovery time if you're still doing all this cardio & training 6 days / week. You can compromise your ability to make optimal muscle gains if you're trying to gain and doing things that work against building by burning.

    RE: your diet - are you getting any good quality fats?
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    Default fats in my diet

    I do raw almonds and natural peanut butter along with fish oil at everymeal.

    I have been following the forum and felt comfortable enough to post about AAS. Is there better products than others?

    Also, about doing my research..yes I try to do it on a daily basis. As far as the cardio goes..when I start to cycle..shoud I cut the cardio back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit_Jess View Post
    I do raw almonds and natural peanut butter along with fish oil at everymeal.

    I have been following the forum and felt comfortable enough to post about AAS. Is there better products than others?

    Also, about doing my research..yes I try to do it on a daily basis. As far as the cardio goes..when I start to cycle..shoud I cut the cardio back?
    Can't speak to 'best product' -- obviously the 'best' is always human pharma grade, but can't always find that anymore.

    The first thing you need to know about playing on the dark side is to understand that AAS and all the other supplements out there are only supplements to your diet and training program. You can make them do whatever you want IN SUPPORT of whatever your diet & training program is geared towards. I.e. are you using it to bulk ? to support a competition prep? what? You need to go in knowing what your goal is, and then making sure that EVERYTHING you do is in support of that goal if you want to achieve it. Especially when you are willing to self-medicate w/ a controlled substance to achieve whatever it is you think you want to achive.
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    Im going to be using it to bulk up and add size I would really like to be bigger before I step on stage and look more shredded than i do now...I hope i dont sound dumb here but I feel like this is the place to ask the questions and not be judged..thanks for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit_Jess View Post
    Im going to be using it to bulk up and add size I would really like to be bigger before I step on stage and look more shredded than i do now...I hope i dont sound dumb here but I feel like this is the place to ask the questions and not be judged..thanks for the help!
    When's your next target show? And how do you plan to bulk? Do you have a diet and training set up? I'd probably cut back on the cardio if you want to gain and then add it back in during your cut.
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    Fit_Jess, As far as your 1/2 cup egg whites and 1 egg, Get some Omega Eggs from Trader Joes, 1 Egg has 325 Mg. Lutein, The chickens are fed flaxseed, humans cannot actually process the omega 3's and 6's in flax properly contrary to proper belief, but most animals can.

    Also may want to try, almond butter. Raw or Roasted, either way it's Bomb.com, although you will have an increased "regularity" when eating the raw. Trader Joe's has some good stuff.

    Primo at 100 mg a week may do the trick??!!

    Sorry to chime in on the "women's only" section!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by neofarq View Post
    Fit_Jess, As far as your 1/2 cup egg whites and 1 egg, Get some Omega Eggs from Trader Joes, 1 Egg has 325 Mg. Lutein, The chickens are fed flaxseed, humans cannot actually process the omega 3's and 6's in flax properly contrary to proper belief, but most animals can.

    Also may want to try, almond butter. Raw or Roasted, either way it's Bomb.com, although you will have an increased "regularity" when eating the raw. Trader Joe's has some good stuff.

    Primo at 100 mg a week may do the trick??!!

    Sorry to chime in on the "women's only" section!!

    For a first time out, its really going to depend on the sides you can handle. The issue w/ primo tends to be hairloss, but generally any other AAS besides anavar has the potential to be much harsher in terms of sides, ranging from hairloss to acne to voice change while the compound is in your system.

    A big part of what you choose to cycle depends on how you are willing to deal w/ whatever sides come your way. You can cut or bulk on most of the AAS that women choose to use (usually those that don't aromatise / convert to estrogen or are long-acting esters) - based on the diet & training you set up for your goals.
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    Default first anavar cycle

    since im going to be starting my first cycle of var,,,any suggestions of a pct to take with ..i was also thinking about taking milk thistle?

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    also, havent picked out a next target show yet being as this is my first competing year and i did USBF, so naturally its going to be NPC, not sure which show yet...also on the bulking,,,when u ask how do i plan to bulk, do u mean diet?..thanks for the help!!!

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    Default PCT after first cyle of anavar

    Just started my first cycle of anavar, what should I be using as a PCT when im done with the cycle?.....typical PCT would be for 3-4 weeks ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit_Jess View Post
    Just started my first cycle of anavar, what should I be using as a PCT when im done with the cycle?.....typical PCT would be for 3-4 weeks ?
    If you were a guy I'd tell you to not start a cycle until you knew what was involved w/ PCT.

    But given that you're a girl, you're in luck. Women don't need PCT like guys do because you're not shutting down natural production of your primary sex hormone w/ use of an exogenous source. You can just very simply stop your cycle when you're done. Anavar will take about 3 weeks to fully clear your system and after the first full month following clearing of the cycle you could expect your menstrual cycle to get back to normal as well.
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    Has anyone experienced hair shedding while on var? Would 20mg Masteron injection every 3 days be as potent as 10 mgs var daily for female bbr? Having trouble getting var and i'm swimming in masteron

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossbellas View Post
    Has anyone experienced hair shedding while on var? Would 20mg Masteron injection every 3 days be as potent as 10 mgs var daily for female bbr? Having trouble getting var and i'm swimming in masteron

    I've heard of some people experiencing hairloss on anavar. Try using Nizoral shampoo to help deal w/ it.

    I don't know how masteron would stack up against var - but I think masteron is generally considered more androgenic, and it would also depend on what you are trying to get from the cycle Don't just cycle whatever you happened to have just to cycle. A highly androgenic compound like masteron is maybe not going to give the same anabolic effect as anavar. Something like masteron I think would generally be put at the end of a competition cycle to harden up, not as the base of a growth cycle or anything that would be run on the order of 12-16 weeks. People generally compare masteron to proviron to give you a context.
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    Thanks Sassy. You are my Hero. I will dig deeper with this before loading up her first inj. lol or just use it myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossbellas View Post
    Thanks Sassy. You are my Hero. I will dig deeper with this before loading up her first inj. lol or just use it myself
    mast is a derieved from DHT as is anavar..the difference is mast is modified with a 2-methyl group giving it a increase in anabolic properties making it a significantly more effective at growing muscle tissue than anavar a non-methylated drug...sides are going to more prononced with mast than anavar...50mg's of mast EW broken down into 2-3 injections is a good start...
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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    mast is a derieved from DHT as is anavar..the difference is mast is modified with a 2-methyl group giving it a increase in anabolic properties making it a significantly more effective at growing muscle tissue than anavar a non-methylated drug...sides are going to more prononced with mast than anavar...50mg's of mast EW broken down into 2-3 injections is a good start...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    How long would you run that cycle?
    due to it being a short acting propionate ester i would go 4-6 weeks for a unexperienced user and as much as 8-10 for a exp. user....
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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    mast is a derieved from DHT as is anavar..the difference is mast is modified with a 2-methyl group giving it a increase in anabolic properties making it a significantly more effective at growing muscle tissue than anavar a non-methylated drug...sides are going to more prononced with mast than anavar...50mg's of mast EW broken down into 2-3 injections is a good start...

    Thanks for your input. She is 48 and 5-2 @ 140lbs and has been putting on good muscle. She has only done var to date, so do you think that it should be like 20 mgs twice a wk or maybe 10mgs eod? She does hold a little water with the var, So that will prolly be worse with the mast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossbellas View Post
    Thanks for your input. She is 48 and 5-2 @ 140lbs and has been putting on good muscle. She has only done var to date, so do you think that it should be like 20 mgs twice a wk or maybe 10mgs eod? She does hold a little water with the var, So that will prolly be worse with the mast?
    shoulnt be to bad with them together...20mgs twice a week will be a good start but with a short ester 3 times might be more optimal..are you gonna have her run the var also?at 48 is she pre-menupausal or through already?she will most likely see some clitoral enlargemant,higher sex drive and some voice changes and maybe some hair increase..but not everyone is the same so the sides can and will vary..keep me posted...fyi make sure your source is a reliable one...mast is often supp'd with test by some UG guys to make it cheaper so be carefull in that regard..
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    I really apreciate your help and you are right, You never know what you are buying and injecting from these places. I have actually used this stuff and its clean and did harden me up. I guess switching from e to prop could do a little hardening though.
    As far as sides, she has had mild enlargement and very suddle voice change and peach fuzz with the var, but nothing dramatic. When she came off for awhile she noticed some hairloss. She is pre menopausal.
    I was gonna try and switch anavar for the masteron because my source is out of var at the moment and I have masteron laying around that I use toward the end of my cycle to harden up and keep my strength up when I drop my pinks and deca and switch to prop from e.

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    Has anyone ever heard of increased diameter of the red blood cells caused by Var or any other AAS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeminiJedi View Post
    Has anyone ever heard of increased diameter of the red blood cells caused by Var or any other AAS?

    Sure. Not uncommon at all.

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    If you have been taking 10mg Var for a week now, but just once in the am.....is it to late to break it up and do 5 am 5 pm? i see a lot of people saying to split, but i havent. is my body already used to the 10 at once?

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    It is fine to divide the dose now. You won't notice anything. It is best to dose every 8 hrs though. Can you do 6am, 2pm, 10pm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NubianBeauty View Post
    It is fine to divide the dose now. You won't notice anything. It is best to dose every 8 hrs though. Can you do 6am, 2pm, 10pm?

    Given 10 mg tabs (assuming tabs), these can be split in half fairly cleanly which gives you 2 x 5 mg. Dosing 3x/day would most easily lead to 15 mg / day. Var has a 9 hour half-life so 8 hr intervals in dosing would optimally match to reduce spikes in dosing. Generally people suggest 2x / day (12 hr dosing ) for convenience (both in timing and in ability to split a 10 mg tab).
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    hi everyone...i'm sure you've answered this already but i haven't seen it..i just started using anavar 10 mg split 2 x day..but i was wondering what i can stack with it to build my muscles without any side effects...i'll be doing my first figure show in april 2011 if my body is ready.i workout 5 x week and i'm 41.never taken anything before..i am typically 119lbs but im starting to feel heavier also....input is greatly appreciated..thanx!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharons69 View Post
    hi everyone...i'm sure you've answered this already but i haven't seen it..i just started using anavar 10 mg split 2 x day..but i was wondering what i can stack with it to build my muscles without any side effects...i'll be doing my first figure show in april 2011 if my body is ready.i workout 5 x week and i'm 41.never taken anything before..i am typically 119lbs but im starting to feel heavier also....input is greatly appreciated..thanx!!
    your gonna get some sides most likely no matter how small your dosing is...espc with females your not gonna know until you run them..sides will vary on a person to person basis..theres know real way to know the effects til you try..keep a journal about your supps,diet and training to reference in the future..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharons69 View Post
    hi everyone...i'm sure you've answered this already but i haven't seen it..i just started using anavar 10 mg split 2 x day..but i was wondering what i can stack with it to build my muscles without any side effects...i'll be doing my first figure show in april 2011 if my body is ready.i workout 5 x week and i'm 41.never taken anything before..i am typically 119lbs but im starting to feel heavier also....input is greatly appreciated..thanx!!
    Pretty much what s2h said - you're altering your basic hormone profile. You're getting "sides" w/ your anavar stack whether or not you can "see" them. Given that anavar is really the only AAS that is "reliable" (for the most part - even it is not guaranteed), ANYTHING else you try to throw on top will introduce sides. When it comes to self-medicating w/ hormones, ain't nuttin for free. This is why it is incredibly important that you know what you're doing when you start throwing other stuff into the mix and more importantly you need to be prepared to own both the results and the sides. You can't pick and choose what you want. If you aren't willing to accept the sides (which is your own personal experiment in itself), then basically you have no business playing w/ the drugs at all. Welcome to the dark side.

    Two directions you could take it are increase your anavar dosing to e.g. 15 mg/day, possibly 20 mg/day. Again no guarantee about increase in sides but at least anavar is something you're already using (so you know how you react) and it has a short half-life / detection time so you can increase, or subsequently reduce your dosing.

    The other direction is to stack w/ growth hormone (e.g. 1-2 iu / day). It works to support your recovery and 'enhances' the effects of the var. (Noting in and of itself, gh doesn't 'build muscle' becaues it isn't a testosterone hormone, but it sort of 'improves' your body's ability to do everything optimally. A note on this is that gh can get expensive and takes a while to 'work'. I.e. its not really operating on the same 'cycle schedule' as most AAS.

    A third option if your goal is to build quality lean muscle mass w/o sides, look to your foundation diet & training for ways to optimize - i.e. dont' just rely on the drugs. Protein is always your best anabolic. "More" AAS doesn't necessarily mean better results. The fact that you're running var in the first place allows you much improved ability to recover, so you can put more into your foundation program - diet & training. When you're already inside your 16 week prep, this becomes something of a challenge - you've got some time to 'build' via increased diet & training before you start cutting. But otherwise you can't expect to jack up your steroid intake and not have sides.
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    what sides can you live with is the question. everything has sides. IMO a figure girl doesnt need gear, var at most. if you think you do maybe you need to give it more time, alter training program and diet. i also find many girls wayyy over cardio. if you get your ducks in a row( meaning cal surplus heavy training and no cardio), that var should give you good gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    what sides can you live with is the question. everything has sides. IMO a figure girl doesnt need gear, var at most. if you think you do maybe you need to give it more time, alter training program and diet. i also find many girls wayyy over cardio. if you get your ducks in a row( meaning cal surplus heavy training and no cardio), that var should give you good gains.
    Since you're already within the typical 4 months of contest prep, it becomes important to set reasonable expectations as to how much you can build while you're also starting to dial in for switch to a cutting phase. For future reference I would suggest you schedule your off-season for some specific bulking to develop the muscle you want. Trying to force develop muscles on short notice and then dieting down sorta negates the growth phase. The muscle you maintain is the muscle that your body has already adapted to supporting.
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    I'm prepping for my show in March and I'm 8 weeks out from show. I am a figure competitor in the F class. So, I am 5'10" and currently weighing in at 150. My last show I came in at 137 and was happy with the results.

    I have previously run Var / Clen / T3 and had good results, but this year it has been harder to get a hold of what I have used in the past. I currently have 50 mg Winnie Tabs and about 4 weeks worth of clen. I was hoping for some advice on how to run the Winnie and clen together for the next 8 weeks.

    I would greatly appreciate the help!! Thank you!!

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