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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad_Max21 View Post
    I have a friend thats a gal and is very interested in something for a cycle with little to no sides for lean mass gain. I'm not comfortable suggesting anything so if any of you could help me with this I would much appreciate it and will pass it on to her. Thank you ladies!
    The short answer is there is nothing w/ "No sides". For a first cycle, I'd always recommend anavar - 10 mg/day. There are several threads about how to cycle it.

    Anything else is going to have more sides and a higher chance of those sides. Please encourage her to do a LOT of research and also set expectations appropriately. You dont' give any information about where she is in her current diet & training, her current stats or her goals / expectations, so I can't speak to results in terms of whatever she's looking for, but the only thing that will come to close to being a best recommended first cycle is anavar - but that comes w/ caveats just like any other AAS.
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    I would like to know the ideal BF% for female who would like to begin a var cycle. 28 year old female 5'2" 135 pounds bf17-19%, 5 yr workout exp. 3xweek-weights 2xweek cardio. No prior cycles Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by abattle View Post
    I would like to know the ideal BF% for female who would like to begin a var cycle. 28 year old female 5'2" 135 pounds bf17-19%, 5 yr workout exp. 3xweek-weights 2xweek cardio. No prior cycles Thanks
    Really depends more on what the expectation of the cycle is. A cycle will support whatever is the goal of the whole program. I.e. you can bulk or cut w/ any AAS, depending on your diet first, and then training & cardio program.

    If its a bulker cycle, then I'd just say be reasonable in where you in terms of bodyfat - if you're hauling around more than 25% bodyfat, you might want to work on diet & training first. But a good off season bulker can put you at that level of bodyfat. There its really more about the diet (eating to grow) and the cycle supports that. But remember that eating to bulk usually also produces some excess bodyfat so the result will be stronger, bigger but also "thicker".

    If the goal is to "get stronger" and lean out, then the diet first should be supporting that. If you're starting out at a higher bodyfat, then you might feel" thicker" w/ the higher bodyfat. If your diet is geared towards cutting then the cycle will promote lean muscle mass and you should see the leaning out happen.

    Hope that helps.
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    hi!, i was wondering if someone could give me some advice on losing weight and building muscle. I am 47 years old, i have been working out seriously for 2 years with weights and doing cardio about 45 minutes daily.

    I am pre-menopause and have low hormone.... I started with my doctor but it only made me gain more weight....I started my own cycle with:

    Anavar 10mg/D
    Nolva/ 10mg/d
    T3/ .25mcg/d up to 2 over 8-10 weeks
    Clen/20mcg/D--then up to 80/d

    Cardio:

    45,mins/d
    up to 60 mins/d over 6-8 weeks....
    HR under 120.....

    I only managed to lose 4-5 % bf and down 10pounds......

    I expected more body fat loss since I have never dieted this hard before.....

    Is there anything else I can do to get leaner? I started out at 130 @ 19% now 122- 15%....

    I noticed that I would start to lose a few then "time of the month" would slow me down every month...... now I missed my period and gained a few more pounds..... started on winny about 4 weeks ago.... only 10mg/d.......

    Maybe since this my first time dieting this hard my body is a little freaked out and needs a break.....

    Any suggestions would help out....thanks

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    If you're adding in AAS, you can expect to have some muscle gain = weight gain or less weight loss as you're not just "losing fat" but gaining muscle mass. How long have you been dieting and what is your diet - can you give specific details , e.g.
    Meal 1: 8 am
    4 egg whites + 1 whole
    1/2 c oatmeal

    Meal 2: 11 am
    5 oz chicken
    1 c broccoli

    etc.

    Basically not knowing anything about your diet, can't say anything about the results of it. Steroids and whatever ancillaries are only SUPPLEMENTAL to whatever your diet & training are doing. You can bulk or cut on most anything, depending on what your diet is driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sac-girl View Post
    hi!, i was wondering if someone could give me some advice on losing weight and building muscle. I am 47 years old, i have been working out seriously for 2 years with weights and doing cardio about 45 minutes daily.

    I am pre-menopause and have low hormone.... I started with my doctor but it only made me gain more weight....I started my own cycle with:

    Anavar 10mg/D
    Nolva/ 10mg/d
    T3/ .25mcg/d up to 2 over 8-10 weeks
    Clen/20mcg/D--then up to 80/d

    Cardio:

    45,mins/d
    up to 60 mins/d over 6-8 weeks....
    HR under 120.....

    I only managed to lose 4-5 % bf and down 10pounds......

    I expected more body fat loss since I have never dieted this hard before.....

    Is there anything else I can do to get leaner? I started out at 130 @ 19% now 122- 15%....

    I noticed that I would start to lose a few then "time of the month" would slow me down every month...... now I missed my period and gained a few more pounds..... started on winny about 4 weeks ago.... only 10mg/d.......

    Maybe since this my first time dieting this hard my body is a little freaked out and needs a break.....

    Any suggestions would help out....thanks
    what did you start with your doctor??i'm a little confused...

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    Hi, I have been dieting 16 wks.
    2days:
    Meal 1
    10 egg whites or 4 egg yolks

    Meal 2
    35 gram whey protein

    Meal 3
    5 oz chicken or fish w/ 1 cup green beans

    Meal 4
    35 grams whey protein

    Meal 5
    5 0z fish and salad-vinagar dressing

    next 2 days Diet

    Meal 1
    2 whole eggs w/4 egg whites

    Meal 2
    35 grams whey protein w/ 1 T natural peanut butter

    Meal 3
    5 oz chicken or turkey w/ 1/4c cashews nuts

    Meal 4
    35 grams protein w/1T natural peanut butter

    Meal5
    5 oz red meat w/ green beans

    Also i want to add is that I am 5 ft 2 in.



    n beans

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    Did I read meal #1 right? egg whites OR yokes?

    Also - are you getting a cheat meal once a week on this diet? I think you need one.

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    Yes - please complete the thought about the low hormone & started something w/ your doctor.

    So you followed a keto diet - I would also ask if you're getting in a regular cheat meal.

    Have you had enough energy? Are you sleeping well or do you feel like you're run down? YOu're not getting a lot of food and for 16 weeks .. I'v done similar diet and it does work - you would've definitely lost bodyfat & weight- but its hard to know what the compensation would be w/ the increase of mass due to the cycle and how, if at all, your hormone levels are - i.e. if your body is fighting the whole process and not giving up a lot of bodyfat. How do you feel you look?
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    On the meal 1 10 egg whites then 2 days, for meal 1 ,2 whole eggs w/ egg whites.

    did get one cheat meal.

    the meds the dr. put me was vitamin D,progesterone cream, cortisol, DHEA, and B-3.
    I gained 8lbs from this so I stopped everything from him. I started on other mentioned things

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    My strength is good. Sleep is alright. Bodyfat is creeping along. In the last 4 wks or so I have been hungry. Have helped anyone going though pre-menopause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sac-girl View Post
    On the meal 1 10 egg whites then 2 days, for meal 1 ,2 whole eggs w/ egg whites.

    did get one cheat meal.

    the meds the dr. put me was vitamin D,progesterone cream, cortisol, DHEA, and B-3.
    I gained 8lbs from this so I stopped everything from him. I started on other mentioned things
    The weight gain is likely because your hormones are out of balance. Quite frankly, progesterone cream causes more problems with women than other delivery methods. I'd find another doctor rather than starting a cocktail of AAS and estrogen blockers (that's just my personal opinion). At 47, you're heading into the unpredictable territory of wild hormone fluctuations. Get your hormones balanced, then start using whatever you think you need to add muscle and drop body fat.

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    who did your diet?what were your thyroid levels?alot of doctors miss diagnos thyroid problems as pre-menupause...they have almost indentical symptoms...what were your TSH levels on your bloodwork?

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    all my tsh level were low. got the diet off the internet.

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