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    Quote Originally Posted by matt1005 View Post
    HOw about a natty that is keto?
    Natties need to get insanely shredded and not worry about fullness because that just wont happen (unless your an anomaly genetic freak).

    Once natties are peeled to the bone I would really have them coast into the final days with same diet and just restrict salt a day out and shut water off at bed time --- next morning eat lower sodium foods and sip water between meals.

    I do not like carbing keto guys too much as they are not USED TO assimilating carbs since they deprive themselves of them most of the week --- just coast through normal keto plan and PERHAPS load some very mild carbs 2 days out for a day....nothing crazy.

    Very basic for these guys -- no crazy variables to concern yourself with here as you arent hormonally assisted.

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    Really sweet article Chris is a smart guy. I definitely respect matt as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Porter View Post
    Natties need to get insanely shredded and not worry about fullness because that just wont happen (unless your an anomaly genetic freak).

    Once natties are peeled to the bone I would really have them coast into the final days with same diet and just restrict salt a day out and shut water off at bed time --- next morning eat lower sodium foods and sip water between meals.

    I do not like carbing keto guys too much as they are not USED TO assimilating carbs since they deprive themselves of them most of the week --- just coast through normal keto plan and PERHAPS load some very mild carbs 2 days out for a day....nothing crazy.

    Very basic for these guys -- no crazy variables to concern yourself with here as you arent hormonally assisted.
    Thats exactly like I have done in the past. Thanks and makes me feel more settled

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    Great read. But it's an old article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooPowerful4u View Post
    I have NO place to argue w him or disagree (since iv never peaked like any of his guys)....but any time iv reduced water like that i flatten like a pancake and cant get a pump for shit (and lost like 12lbs)....and the harder i carbed the worse i looked (and oddly the more i peed (no diuretic).....


    I am curious though, how do you determine how HARD a muscle feels? When you flex a muscle the "hardness" (and yes iv read his article a while ago so paid attention to mine and others) is very difficult to FEEL......what determines how HARD a muscle will be....id have thought it would be fullness?

    If u are ( on your own body) not sure if the muscle itself ( not the LOOK) is HARD then I am sure you are not hard. That said, sometimes I will ask someone"flex your pecs" and I will feel them ( no homo ) and they feel like stone although they dont LOOK it....thats HARD on the other hand their pecs for example may look hard but upon feeling them they dont feel like stone......

    The water thing...some bbers dont look good/better restricting their water. Although MOST will. If this is not the case then bodybuilders would not use diueretics and every top bber uses them. Whether u restrict water or use diuretics or perform some combo of the 2 its more or less the same...to lower the total water volume withing the body. Generally a dehydrated state results in better condition then a hydrates state. In your case, u probably dont need to restrict water as much.
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    Great stuff Chris ... BTW Cedric looked great in NY .. He's an awesome person and lucky to have you in his corner.... Big Mac Cedric haha

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    I think most bodybuilders look better dehydrated -- but the 'right' dehydrated state where the water is expelled from the skin and still shifted enough into the muscle before homeostasis kicks in. This is why a slow restriction or taper is not a solid method. Give the body too much time for error.

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    Some great minds and some solid advice in this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kindom-muscle View Post
    brilliant,no better reading in the bb world
    thanks Einstein worked with me on the vocabulary and spelling
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    Hey Chris, what are some good nutritional books that you would recommend reading for athletes and bbs?

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    Hey Chris when you were talking about depleting Chris cook in article, I might have missed but when you had him deplete did you cut fats too? Are fats okay if you've been keto most of contest prep with high protein and high fats no direct sources of carbs like will you carb load need to be light or moderate say Thursday Friday Saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREENMACHINE23 View Post
    What are your thoughts on using a sauna the last two weeks of prep to help rid the body of excess fluid?

    i would say no u only have to think about landing a plane when u can see the runway if u try to land to early u will crash same with the body if u try to rid the body too early of water u body will crash..... u wont end up looking hard
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    Thanks for the info and quick response, Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Aceto View Post
    If u are ( on your own body) not sure if the muscle itself ( not the LOOK) is HARD then I am sure you are not hard. That said, sometimes I will ask someone"flex your pecs" and I will feel them ( no homo ) and they feel like stone although they dont LOOK it....thats HARD on the other hand their pecs for example may look hard but upon feeling them they dont feel like stone......

    The water thing...some bbers dont look good/better restricting their water. Although MOST will. If this is not the case then bodybuilders would not use diueretics and every top bber uses them. Whether u restrict water or use diuretics or perform some combo of the 2 its more or less the same...to lower the total water volume withing the body. Generally a dehydrated state results in better condition then a hydrates state. In your case, u probably dont need to restrict water as much.
    Do you believe the contest prep will dictate the bodies ability to hold a peak. I do peak EVERY single show perfectly, just NEVER timed properly for stage and i do not hold the peak long. I am convinced my metabolic rate burns up carbs at an accelerated pace, hence the inability to keep h2o in the muscles.....i started eating more carbs once the water was cut (this time BEFORE i lost too much water) and kept getting harder and harder.....i stopped eating them closer to stage time for fear of holding water and thats when i really started to flatten....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooPowerful4u View Post
    Do you believe the contest prep will dictate the bodies ability to hold a peak. I do peak EVERY single show perfectly, just NEVER timed properly for stage and i do not hold the peak long. I am convinced my metabolic rate burns up carbs at an accelerated pace, hence the inability to keep h2o in the muscles.....i started eating more carbs once the water was cut (this time BEFORE i lost too much water) and kept getting harder and harder.....i stopped eating them closer to stage time for fear of holding water and thats when i really started to flatten....
    woulda been nice to hold this condition...didnt look like this 6hrs later on stage. Never saw the chest veins in my entire life until i opened my jacket

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