Let's talk about contest prep drugs.

[SallyAnne]

What do you feel are the most common prep drugs, and why are they valuable for prep?


Drugs I am familiar with for cutting. I haven't taken them all, but I know other women who have taken them.

masteron
tren
winny
test
proviron
eq
NPP

T3
clen
nolva
adex

[thepump]

great list. you pretty much hit them all.

TREN A

[Angela123]

thepump...feel free to elaborate or share thoughts.

so, you are all for women using tren during prep?

[Sistersteel]

I'll let other ladies chime in and maybe add something that was not mentioned that was beneficial to them.

I would like to add var and tbol for orals and glucophage.

Then again, I am just putting this out there as a reminder. You can pretty much cut or bulk on any drug. Its mostly diet dependent. However, It is my belief that some drugs are better suited for either one or the other.

SS

[~gymdiva~]

my best trio was in 06 when I had var, winny, and inj primo...had I had a longer diet (show plans changed last minute) I think I would have really come in looking on top of it...but I seemed to retain the most size from the diet using that combo than being natty or any other combo...

[Ninja Loco]

*pulls up chair in a corner, takes out notebook, and shuts the faq up*

[SallyAnne]

my best trio was in 06 when I had var, winny, and inj primo...had I had a longer diet (show plans changed last minute) I think I would have really come in looking on top of it...but I seemed to retain the most size from the diet using that combo than being natty or any other combo...

did you experience any water retention while using primo for prep? I have heard that you should stop using it about 2-3 weeks out to shed any excess water you might be holding.

[SallyAnne]

I know I skipped var - duh. the obvious one was the one I missed. lol


SS - tell me more about tbol.

[tammyp]

masteron primo and var are my faves. no bloat, hard as a rock and horny as hell!

[SallyAnne]

Posting for an anonymous member:

I did not use primo for prep but I used it once during offseason for a 10 wk cycle. 1 shot once a week (damn...was it 1/4 cc or 1/2 cc...honestly i cant remember...it was back in 06). But it wasnt much. I was not doing cardio and while I wasn't eating horrible, I always eat clean...I certainly wasn't dieting and being perfect, esp on weekends. It did pack on the water weight. When I look at pictures of myself at the time..my face is so, so, so bloated and puffy. More bloated than I've ever seen it...and it has gotten plenty round from post show rebound and coming off of other drugs. Increase of breakouts as well...my skin was pretty bad at the time. And it also appeared oily...which my skin never does...I break out normally but I never have oily looking skin. Anger...hmm...let me think...I am short tempered anyway..but yes..I'd say I was more short tempered than normal. And my voice did get lower and raspier. I had several people comment on that!! But all of that went away when i was done.

It did give me such an increase in strength. Though it made my legs more muscular than needed. My upper grew but not like my legs did. I shouldnt have went so crazy training legs...but it was so fun being so damn strong. i was very, very strong during that time.

I think that is all I can think of, in regards to primo.

[Allifit]

thepump...feel free to elaborate or share thoughts.

so, you are all for women using tren during prep?

Everyone bear with me as I'm pretty novice to all this- but I'm unfamiliar with tren.... anyone care to embellish on it? What it does- etc?

[Allifit]

What effects does it have on the body? Meaning is it something you'd want to take precontest or something you'd look to take offseason...

[SallyAnne]

What effects does it have on the body? Meaning is it something you'd want to take precontest or something you'd look to take offseason...

Here's the breakdown by Bill Roberts from meso

Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.

There is no evidence in the literature, nor I think practical evidence, that trenbolone acetate has a "special role" in burning fat. Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. This seems to apply only to Class I activity, however. To obtain good anabolism from non-AR-mediated mechanisms, a Class II steroid such as Dianabol or Anadrol® should be stacked.

There used to be a myth that trenbolone was "hard on the kidneys." I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.

It is also not clear that trenbolone results in any greater degree of increased aggression for a given amount of anabolic effect than testosterone itself does, despite another myth to that effect. The increase in aggressive tendency -- which does not mean the act of aggression -- is moderate and entirely controllable, if noticeable at all.

[SallyAnne]

Dosage above is for a man. Women and tren is a pretty controversial subject. Any man will tell you that a woman should NEVER take it. However, I have seen it successfully used by women for short periods during contest prep and it does wonders for tightening you up and leaning you out. I have not taken it myself.

I have been told by an anonymous female that she took it off season and added an insane amount of muscle at 25mg EOD for 6 weeks. I'm not recommending this by any means - just relaying an experience. She told me her only sides were increased hair growth on legs and some chin hairs.

[Allifit]

Here's the breakdown by Bill Roberts from meso

Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.

There is no evidence in the literature, nor I think practical evidence, that trenbolone acetate has a "special role" in burning fat. Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. This seems to apply only to Class I activity, however. To obtain good anabolism from non-AR-mediated mechanisms, a Class II steroid such as Dianabol or Anadrol® should be stacked.

There used to be a myth that trenbolone was "hard on the kidneys." I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.

It is also not clear that trenbolone results in any greater degree of increased aggression for a given amount of anabolic effect than testosterone itself does, despite another myth to that effect. The increase in aggressive tendency -- which does not mean the act of aggression -- is moderate and entirely controllable, if noticeable at all.

Thanks But I feel like I just read chinese lol.... I need to start learning more about this apparently...