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    i dont think drugs should really be needed to compete in this division but obviously they are used because our society loves drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Provo82 View Post
    i dont think drugs should really be needed to compete in this division but obviously they are used because our society loves drugs.
    Most people I talk to adamantly claim that the majority of national and pro bikini competitors use anavar, T3, clen, and maybe even nolva and GH. They say they have been told directly by girls and/or their coaches. If that's true, does it really surprise you that men would be using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDJack View Post
    Most people I talk to adamantly claim that the majority of national and pro bikini competitors use anavar, T3, clen, and maybe even nolva and GH. They say they have been told directly by girls and/or their coaches. If that's true, does it really surprise you that men would be using?
    Speaking for him here nowhere did he say that he was/would be surprised someone's taking shit. More that these physiques can be achieved naturally but people are taking gear just because that's what our society loves.
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    our society is also full of people working hard as naturals because its really all about health first for them. there are a lot more of these people in our world than there are juicers.

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    If you use illegal substances to compete...men's physique is not for you. The way i see it MP is about building a great body NATURALLY. If you can't do that then you shouldn't compete or you should take it to another level and hit the stage as a Bodybuilder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianlauer View Post
    If you use illegal substances to compete...men's physique is not for you. The way i see it MP is about building a great body NATURALLY. If you can't do that then you shouldn't compete or you should take it to another level and hit the stage as a Bodybuilder.
    i like this train of thought. it is a nice addition to the ifbb for those who dont want to abuse the shit out of their bodies but still enjoy the ifbb. as long as the judging doesnt change thet juicers have no advantage anyway so it doesnt matter. the natural guys can still win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianlauer View Post
    If you use illegal substances to compete...men's physique is not for you. The way i see it MP is about building a great body NATURALLY. If you can't do that then you shouldn't compete or you should take it to another level and hit the stage as a Bodybuilder.
    I agree. They should go all the way and not "drop down" to the MPD cause they couldn't hack it as a bodybuilder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mccheese View Post
    I agree. They should go all the way and not "drop down" to the MPD cause they couldn't hack it as a bodybuilder.
    I think it's not that it might have to do with being done with putting hormones in their body
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDJack View Post
    Most people I talk to adamantly claim that the majority of national and pro bikini competitors use anavar, T3, clen, and maybe even nolva and GH. They say they have been told directly by girls and/or their coaches. If that's true, does it really surprise you that men would be using?
    suprise me? not one bit. theres guy walking around local gyms on 2 grams of shit that dont even look like they workout. Then uve got some really hardworking natural bodybuilders that carry 3 times the amount of muscle. our society is lazy people do drugs for the quick fix so no suprise to me there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe d View Post
    i like this train of thought. it is a nice addition to the ifbb for those who dont want to abuse the shit out of their bodies but still enjoy the ifbb. as long as the judging doesnt change thet juicers have no advantage anyway so it doesnt matter. the natural guys can still win.
    i agree with this sentiment as well. if the judging stays consistent and doesnt reward the geared up look in this division it can bea nice medium for some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Provo82 View Post
    i agree with this sentiment as well. if the judging stays consistent and doesnt reward the geared up look in this division it can bea nice medium for some people.
    Agree. There's quite a number of guys at national shows that are clearly juicing, covered in acne on their back when you see up close, including some people who just turned pro in the last 2 months.

    I see this division as being made up of several different types of people:

    1) Men who simply don't like the look/size of a bodybuilder (at a national or pro level) and don't want to be that big.

    2) Men who are realistic and know they won't be able to turn pro as a bodybuilder. Maybe they have good shape and are attractive and will do much better with a career in MP

    3) Health reasons -- maybe someone doesn't want to take steroids or doesn't want to take as much steroids as would be required to do well as a bodybuilder.

    A lot of this has to do with genetics. Some people have the genetics to compete in MPD without drugs and some don't (to be competitive or a pro at least). There is also quite a bit of discrepancy in the judging. It looked like they were going for a bigger and harder look at Team U and then I was baffled by USAs. Maybe it's east coast vs west coast judging....

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    ^^^ I too have heard that east coast judging favors the larger more muscular physiques (which I believe is to my advantage) compared to west coast which prefers more of the lean slimmed down look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVT04DAL View Post
    ^^^ I too have heard that east coast judging favors the larger more muscular physiques (which I believe is to my advantage) compared to west coast which prefers more of the lean slimmed down look.
    From what i've seen at USAs, west coast judging not only prefers less muscularity, but they also prefer a softer look, not leaner. Just look at the overall winner from USAs. He's a perfect example. He wouldn't have placed at Team U.

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    looks as if he's on a prop masteron blend stacked with either var or winni to dry they're muscles out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amarks View Post
    looks as if he's on a prop masteron blend stacked with either var or winni to dry they're muscles out.
    This kind of comment is ridiculous. You are guessing what a guy is taking based on how he looks? You've got to be kidding me...

    And btw, winstrol and anavar don't "dry the muscles out". That's also a ridiculous statement.

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