Pharmacy in Men's Physique

[t4ufit]

My point was to many, it does not matter how the edge is gained. They want to win, at any cost.

Because society deems it to be a drug, it doesn't dissuade them any more from using them less. If tea was a drug, by our society's designation, you would stop consuming tea. I wouldn't, because I would think it's a stupid law imposed by some judge somewhere. I see nothing wrong with it. Your tea is another's anadrol, test ethanate or HGH.

Simply taking a pharmaceutical does not make one a champion.

I have to disagree with the notion that tea can be equated to a hormonal substance. Certainly I wouldn't take tea if it was an illegal substance because to me the risk of participating in an illegal activity wouldn't be worth the reward of drinking tea.

However, tea in and of itself is not an anabolic substance that would give someone a hormonal edge and it is not known to be a potentially dangerous substance.

I agreed with you above that simply taking drugs doesn't make a champion but there's no doubt that all things being equal, the person with the better access to and knowledge of how to use these drugs does give them an edge which can make them a champion over someone else.

[Mac]

I have to disagree with the notion that tea can be equated to a hormonal substance. Certainly I wouldn't take tea if it was an illegal substance because to me the risk of participating in an illegal activity wouldn't be worth the reward of drinking tea.

You're missing the point.

But that is OK.

Drink too much tea and I think you'll find some possible side effects.

[Mac]

I agreed with you above that simply taking drugs doesn't make a champion but there's no doubt that all things being equal, the person with the better access to and knowledge of how to use these drugs does give them an edge which can make them a champion over someone else.

OK, you brought up another point.

They can gain an advantage by better access to knowledge of how to use the drugs. So too would having access to better nutrition, training facilities, money and less stress in life. Should those advantages be taken away because some don't have them?

The problem is you deem it illegal in regards to the substances being used.

Steroids save lives too.

Too much water WILL kill you.

[t4ufit]

You're missing the point.

But that is OK.

Drink too much tea and I think you'll find some possible side effects.

Let me put it this way...

If I had to use an illegal substance to save my own or someone elses life I would do it (that is a risk worth the reward) but if I had to use an illegal and potentially harmful substance just to add more muscle for the sake of my vanity or for a competition I wouldn't do it.

Also I would never be proud of myself using a substance to give me an unfair advantage over someone who was following competitive rules.

[t4ufit]

OK, you brought up another point.

They can gain an advantage by better access to knowledge of how to use the drugs. So to would having access to better nutrition, training facilities, money and less stress in life. Should those advantages be taken away because some don't have them?

The problem is you deem it illegal in regards to the substances being used.

Steroids save lives too.

Too much water WILL kill you.

I think this is getting into semantics and this can become an endless circular conversation.

[Curt James]

4:20

Was there some PUN to that

lol I had to Google that, honestly.

I'm not a smoker but fully support the legalization and/or decriminalization of marijuana. Money spent on interdiction and incarceration would be better spent on education and, where necessary, rehabilitation. I'm sick of families being destroyed over drug charges.

[Mac]

I think this is getting into semantics and this can become an endless circular conversation.

Ok. Semantics and analogies aside.

I was hoping to take some of your puzzlement away as to why someone uses PEDS, drugs or tea.

You made your point of view and mine was that others have their own points of views as well which have merit if you take out the legality issues.

Your myopic viewpoints and morality are not always shared by the rest of the world and I will end there.

[Mac]

lol I had to Google that, honestly.

I'm not a smoker but fully support the legalization and/or decriminalization of marijuana. Money spent on interdiction and incarceration would be better spent on education and, where necessary, rehabilitation. I'm sick of families being destroyed over drug charges.

I am shocked you didn't know that, really. I support them too.

But I am sure glad they shut down that meth house next door. Parking was getting really bad.

[Curt James]

I think this is getting into semantics and this can become an endless circular conversation.

se·man·tics (s -m n t ks). n.
The branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.
The meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text: "such quibbling over semantics may seem petty stuff".

Fine line between food and drugs? Or a longstanding connection?

"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA or USFDA) is an agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services, one of the United States federal executive departments. The FDA is responsible for protecting and promoting public health through the regulation and supervision of food safety, tobacco products, dietary supplements, prescription and over-the-counter pharmaceutical drugs (medications), vaccines, biopharmaceuticals, blood transfusions, medical devices, electromagnetic radiation emitting devices (ERED), and veterinary products."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_an...Administration

[Curt James]

Ok. Semantics and analogies aside.

I was hoping to take some of your puzzlement away as to why someone uses PEDS, drugs or tea.

You made your point of view and mine was that others have their own points of views as well which have merit if you take out the legality issues.

Your myopic viewpoints and morality are not always shared by the rest of the world and I will end there.

Not necessarily myopic. While they seem to be lacking tolerance (for contest drug use), their understanding is evident and they have an open mind (from my perspective) as they stated they'd use an illegal drug if it meant saving a family member's life or however they phrased it.

I am shocked you didn't know that, really. I support them too.

But I am sure glad they shut down that meth house next door. Parking was getting really bad.

That's where education and rehabilitation might work better magic than interdiction and incarceration. Legalize meth. I won't use it. You won't use it. But those who do use it will have information and counseling available to them. Right now we just throw them in jail and then release them to continue the behavior.

And I have heard of 4:20 but wasn't thinking of it when I posted that time or ffwd infoz. lol Had to think of what you meant at first and I did Google to verify.

Freaking hippie.

[Curt James]

However, tea in and of itself is (snip) not known to be a potentially dangerous substance.

Tea killed my mother.

[Curt James]

Wait. What?

[Mac]

Not necessarily myopic.

Freaking hippie.

As in to shut one's eye and not see what is going on.


I saw you at Freaking Woodstock Curt, don't be calling me a hippie!

[Curt James]

You mention pride repeatedly in this thread, t4ufit. It seems to me that pride and guilt are two sides of the same coin.

And ever the Googler, I gave psychology of pride a go as a search string.

A critical psychology of pride

By Gavin B. Sullivan

Pride is a personally and culturally significant feeling that has received little attention in psychology and has largely been examined as a positive emotional product of self-evaluative cognitions. Even when the self and identity are included in such theories, it is rare for psychologists to engage in reflexive consideration of the complexities that result from the experience and expression of pride within and by collectives. Critical examination of the work that references to pride and occurrences of proud feelings ‘do’ in contemporary moral, political and cultural practices is required. Pride can also be understood in terms of ‘waves of emotion’ and in broad connections with shame, racism, marginalization, patriotism. In this paper, critical connections with cultural and other theories of pride and shame are highlighted, followed by a brief analysis of events in Australia and Germany which manifest contradictions and tensions in the background to proud feelings. An important role for critical psychology is argued for in challenging disciplinary boundaries and exploring new directions in the understanding of emotional feelings.

Keywords: Pride, national pride, patriotism, self-evaluative emotions, emotion theory

Interest in emotion or affect has spread across and beyond the human sciences as biologists, psychologists, historians, sociologists, anthropologists and cultural theorists compete for the legitimacy of pronouncing upon the expressions, experiences, and descriptions of significant feelings. Despite disciplinary borders, it is now possible to explore multiple aspects, features or dimensions of emotion and to consider, for example, the neurobiology of shame in specific social and cultural practices without fear of contradiction or paradox. Considerable tensions – both metaphorical and real – exist between adherents to these perspectives. However, in combination they provide conceptual and empirical resources with which to fashion insightful and compelling theoretical stories which, in turn, may change existing practices. It is in the context of these recent developments that I will explore the possibilities for a critical psychology of pride, including relationships with other significant emotions in public and private life as well as the importance of proud feelings for understanding collective and cultural practices.

There's a pdf available that continues the article.

I'll have to read the rest of the article to see if Sullivan makes any connections between sports performance and pride or guilt related to use of PEDs and/or AAS.

And where is the pride if one had to use drugs to attain the win?

Still I would personally have a hard time being proud of gains I made if I had to resort to hormonal enhancement, but that's just me and everyone is entitled to make their own choices.

If someone is doing something that they blatantly know is against the rules and helps them win over someone who is following the rules, I wonder how proud they would be of their accomplishment.

My main points are regarding the risk vrs reward of using PED's (both physiologically and legally) and the fact that I personally wouldn't feel really proud of myself for making gains by pharmaceutical means.

Also I would never be proud of myself using a substance to give me an unfair advantage over someone who was following competitive rules.

[Curt James]

As in to shut one's eye and not see what is going on.


I saw you at Freaking Woodstock Curt, don't be calling me a hippie!

lol

You must be thinking of some jpeg Big Barry created.

I did attend a Phish concert once.