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    I like NPP. lol That's what's so interesting about females and AAS. Totally different sides (or lack there of) on the same compound.

    I experienced some good gains (slower, but good) - no sides at all. It really helped lube my joints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SallyAnne View Post
    I like NPP. lol That's what's so interesting about females and AAS. Totally different sides (or lack there of) on the same compound.

    I experienced some good gains (slower, but good) - no sides at all. It really helped lube my joints.
    Personally I think NPP is a good compound for women and possibly better than primo. Many who use it still experience a degree of water retention but given the amount of fake Primo on the market it may be the safer/more effective option. Also speeds tissue healing as long as adequate protein is consumed.

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    Anavar @ 10-15mg a day.

    Question though... I had a bad reaction to an AAS I took in the past and it affected my voice. I was only on for about two weeks when I noticed my voice getting totally messed up and stopped immediately. It's been quite a few months now and it's much better but still not the same. Will it ever be normal again? Is there anything I can do to help the process along??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mshrdbdy View Post
    Anavar @ 10-15mg a day.

    Question though... I had a bad reaction to an AAS I took in the past and it affected my voice. I was only on for about two weeks when I noticed my voice getting totally messed up and stopped immediately. It's been quite a few months now and it's much better but still not the same. Will it ever be normal again? Is there anything I can do to help the process along??

    A voice drop is an irreversible side effect. It gets better but unlikely ever to be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mshrdbdy View Post
    Anavar @ 10-15mg a day.

    Question though... I had a bad reaction to an AAS I took in the past and it affected my voice. I was only on for about two weeks when I noticed my voice getting totally messed up and stopped immediately. It's been quite a few months now and it's much better but still not the same. Will it ever be normal again? Is there anything I can do to help the process along??
    Many 'experts' claim that voice changes are reversible. For some individuals this may be true, but for the most part, voice changes are permanent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistersteel View Post
    A voice drop is an irreversible side effect. It gets better but unlikely ever to be the same.
    Wow...we must have answered this at almost exactly the same time...synchronicity and the same answer!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh Penman View Post
    Wow...we must have answered this at almost exactly the same time...synchronicity and the same answer!!
    Great minds think alike! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mshrdbdy View Post
    Anavar @ 10-15mg a day.

    Question though... I had a bad reaction to an AAS I took in the past and it affected my voice. I was only on for about two weeks when I noticed my voice getting totally messed up and stopped immediately. It's been quite a few months now and it's much better but still not the same. Will it ever be normal again? Is there anything I can do to help the process along??
    What was the stuff that messed your voice up? Winstrol?
    "The only way you can hurt the body is not use it. Inactivity is the killer and, remember, it's never too late."
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    What would happen if you just didn't do any drugs? Well.... not exactly no drugs, just no male hormones.
    "...The only thing i love more than athletes getting paid is the fact that it's not us who's paying them..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Romano View Post
    What would happen if you just didn't do any drugs? Well.... not exactly no drugs, just no male hormones.
    Hopefully you'd be getting results from a targetted diet & training program. There's a whole world of knowledge & experience to be gained just around optimizing those two. In the context of contest prep, you'd also be in tune w/ the stresses from the extreme lifestyle - i.e. probably more prone to being sore & tired, the effects of the depletion phase would be more dramatic.
    "The only way you can hurt the body is not use it. Inactivity is the killer and, remember, it's never too late."
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    Just some food for thought..... I prepped Shelley Beattie for the 1993 Ms. Olympia - where she took third behind Lenda and Laura - using absolutely NO hormones. Actually, she took nothing stronger than clen. Granted, she had used gear in the past, but not since 1990. So, three years clean. After she won the USA, her best placing as a pro was 7th at the Ms. International. Until she worked with me. So, Sassy is right.
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    wow thats crazy john. What did you have her doing diet and training/cardio wise? just curious cuz she looked great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Romano View Post
    Just some food for thought..... I prepped Shelley Beattie for the 1993 Ms. Olympia - where she took third behind Lenda and Laura - using absolutely NO hormones. Actually, she took nothing stronger than clen. Granted, she had used gear in the past, but not since 1990. So, three years clean. After she won the USA, her best placing as a pro was 7th at the Ms. International. Until she worked with me. So, Sassy is right.

    That actually raises a good point in that its much simpler as well. There arent considerations to worrying about making sure there's no water retention and other stresses from the hormones. So you have nothing else in the way when determining impact of simple changes to diet, training & cardio to tweak results.
    "The only way you can hurt the body is not use it. Inactivity is the killer and, remember, it's never too late."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistersteel View Post
    I personally will not run any drug before I research it extensively and know exactly what to expect. I will not give advice on any drug I have not personally experienced. With any new compound, I am never surprised when sides pop up. I have enough research on hand at all times to help counter just about anything.

    I will not run any drugs with side effects I cannot handle, which dwindles down my list of drugs to a select few that I will rotate on and off throughout the season. Strangely enough, I actually cannot run some of the most commonly used female friendly compounds.

    Things I will not use and why:

    NPP: Made me look like a whale even on an immaculate diet, sent me to the ER with a blood pressure of 200/110 on the verge of a stroke, made me extremely aggressive. I would just wake up every morning with nothing but an overwhelming urge to put someone's head through a wall. The neighbors constantly complained about domestic disturbances that led to cops getting invovled on several occasions.

    All that misery and I ran it at a measly 40mg/week for 6 weeks. I bailed on the cycle and will never touch it again. It is, however, the one and only drug that increased my strength dramatically and kept me pain free. I have not found a substitutie for it yet. Nothing aleviates my joint discomfort like Deca did.

    I will not run Tbol because I find my moods change for the worst just like they did on NPP.

    I cannot run winny. 5mg of Winny is enough to cripple all 210lb of me with squeaky painful joints and a dry cough that seemed to get worse at night. Nasty.

    Primo. Wish I had good things to say. I pull my hair out in strands on primo. I would like to keep my hair thank you very much. So no primo for me.

    Var..I don't know what to say about var besides the fact that I have run it as high as 40mg/day and was not impressed in the least. It is ridiculously expensive too to run at that dose for any decent amount of time. I'll throw it into a cycle at 20mg if I have any lying around. But besides that, I will not spend a dime on it ever again.

    I cannot keep any food down on glucophage. I will throw up a hundred times a day a few weeks into a cycle.

    That's all I can think of right now.
    SS, If you don't mind me asking, did you have mood swings before gear? And they were just enhanced?

    Also going on an earlier comment: Has anyone had experience with depression/anxiety on EQ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil's_daughter View Post
    SS, If you don't mind me asking, did you have mood swings before gear? And they were just enhanced?

    Also going on an earlier comment: Has anyone had experience with depression/anxiety on EQ?

    good question on the first...and yes to the second! I really thought it was just me...maybe not???

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